Cabinet choices

[peterpalmieri]

I am kind of starting this thread concurrent with some questions I asked over on the EB side...

As an FYI Focus 2RIII and either Wizzy 10 or NL210...

I have said this a few times in other discussion here and over time it has really solidified. MY EB rig Glock HR and Sadowsky SA410 cabinet sound a thousand times better then either of my EA cabs do with either the Focus or Glock.

Now I know it's not practical to bring that monster to a DB gig so I am trying to replicate it in a smaller form for both DB and EB.

Getting feedback from a few very experienced EB players here point towards a few cabinets that have a similar tone to the SA410. Berg AE 112 or AE210 and possibly the new Schroeder 115L+.

I'd love to hear any experiences you guys have had with these cabs. As time goes on my ears seem to be turning further away from the EA stuff the Wizzy 10 is particularly mid focused, the NL210 to a much smaller degree.

Thanks Pete

[fingers]

I have a Aguilar GS112NT and it sound nice. I bought it as a doubling cab. My only caveat is it sounds great out in the room but hard to hear up close. Not good for hearing intonation stuff on DB.

[peterpalmieri]

What happened to Jim ? He had replied earlier but I didn't have a chance to respond....SORRY

Fingers that doesn't sound like a rave review, I didn't like that cab much for EB when I had a chance to try them out. Do you like using it?

A couple of guys keep asking me to pick up a Berg IP 112 to use with my Millennia TD1, thus far I haven't for two reasons, 1. There is no function like a tuner out that passes the signal to when muted. Secondly the only master volume control is mounted on the back of the IP and is a very small knob. That isn't practical when I am playing with a club date band and sometimes play for an hour without breaks between tunes, everything has to be convenient and fast. From what I've heard nobody has had a bad thing to say about the IP and TD1 pairing though.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by peterpalmieri

Fingers that doesn't sound like a rave review, I didn't like that cab much for EB when I had a chance to try them out. Do you like using it?

I do like it for certain things. The sound develops kinda far out in front of the cab so in cramped stage situations its not great. I had several people comment on the beefy tone it gets though. I've used it as an extension cab with my GK MB150s and it sounds awesome.

[Uncletoad]

Wizzy 10 is a very midrangy cab with little low end in comparison to even slightly larger cabs. Some find that very pleasing. I have to do some eq tricks to make it work for me. I keep mine cause of the schlep.

I never liked large boxes on DB. To hard to work around feedback even when they sounded good. I settled on that VL208 and for most gigs just use that. It's heavy compared to the single 12 boxes and wizz 10 and the NL210.

You should try to find a VL208 and audition it. It's really something.

Honorable mention to the Glock 12 cab. The Wizz Mline 12 is very nice and not midrangy like the other two EA boxes you mentioned IMO. I liked the IP box sound but for all the weight of it I prefer the Focus/VL208.

I tried several other 12's and didn't really like them all that much. Fwiw I think the midrange helps with the DB in a way that on the EB is annoying.

[peterpalmieri]

Originally Posted by Uncletoad

Wizzy 10 is a very midrangy cab with little low end in comparison to even slightly larger cabs. Some find that very pleasing. I have to do some eq tricks to make it work for me. I keep mine cause of the schlep.

I never liked large boxes on DB. To hard to work around feedback even when they sounded good. I settled on that VL208 and for most gigs just use that. It's heavy compared to the single 12 boxes and wizz 10 and the NL210.

You should try to find a VL208 and audition it. It's really something.

Honorable mention to the Glock 12 cab. The Wizz Mline 12 is very nice and not midrangy like the other two EA boxes you mentioned IMO. I liked the IP box sound but for all the weight of it I prefer the Focus/VL208.

I tried several other 12's and didn't really like them all that much. Fwiw I think the midrange helps with the DB in a way that on the EB is annoying.

I will probably keep my wizzy 10 as well, with the Focus I run the bass at 2, mid at 9 and treble at 10. That seems to make it sound more like a normal cab with my gear at least. It is super convenient but I wouldn't call it "great". I am hoping the new neo 208 comes out and is favorable. What is the weight on the VL208? Do you know what the model on the Glock cab you liked was?

There is a smoothness in the SA410 that is just wonderful and I can't get that out of any of my cabs no matter how hard I try. Many descibe that cab as having an attenuated low end and very even above that...

[Uncletoad]

The 410 sounds like the exact opposite of the VL208 then. It's dark with strong low end and clean mids with not much on top.

It's heavy for as small as it is, I don't remember how much.

The Glock was a space somethingorother 12 we used at the belchfest a couple years back.

I played the neo 208. It sounded great, more low end than the wizzy 10 but not like the VL208. Kinda more like the midrange thing you were not digging. More midrange than the Mline 12 and not quite as strong a low end as I remember. That was a while ago and I could be remembering it wrong.

Ask Bowlus about that.

[peterpalmieri]

Originally Posted by Uncletoad

The 410 sounds like the exact opposite of the VL208 then. It's dark with strong low end and clean mids with not much on top.

I' m not sure, a 410 with an attenuated low end to a BG player is very different to a DB cab percieved as being strong in the lows.

Tom is probably the guy to ask since he might be the only person who owns or has played both.

[Uncletoad]

Originally Posted by peterpalmieri

I' m not sure, a 410 with an attenuated low end to a BG player is very different to a DB cab percieved as being strong in the lows.

Tom is probably the guy to ask since he might be the only person who owns or has played both.

Speaking of that we are doing a little small cab shootout in my shop tomorrow. I'll post the results.

[peterpalmieri]

Man when I had no money and the choice of those orange Roland combos or the metal GK combo things were much easier.

[tombowlus]

Originally Posted by peterpalmieri

I' m not sure, a 410 with an attenuated low end to a BG player is very different to a DB cab percieved as being strong in the lows.

Tom is probably the guy to ask since he might be the only person who owns or has played both.

I have not tried the SA410 with upright yet, but I could give it a go, when I find the time.

But in general, the Toad-man is correct, those are two very different sounding cabs.

[tombowlus]

Originally Posted by Uncletoad

Speaking of that we are doing a little small cab shootout in my shop tomorrow. I'll post the results.

Oh, yeah. Thanks for the reminder.

[peterpalmieri]

Originally Posted by tombowlus

I have not tried the SA410 with upright yet, but I could give it a go, when I find the time.

But in general, the Toad-man is correct, those are two very different sounding cabs.

Thanks for the clarification.

If you haven't done so already and you still own a Glock HR fire it up with the SA410. I know we all have different ideas of what great sounds like and you certainly have more experience then most. To me that's as good as I've ever found DB or electric. Everything else is a compromise to one side or the other.

[tombowlus]

Originally Posted by peterpalmieri

Thanks for the clarification.

If you haven't done so already and you still own a Glock HR fire it up with the SA410. I know we all have different ideas of what great sounds like and you certainly have more experience then most. To me that's as good as I've ever found DB or electric. Everything else is a compromise to one side or the other.

I sold my Heart-Rock, though I still have my Heart-Core (which sounds very different from the HR, though, so that may not be as helpful).

Tom.

[peterpalmieri]

Originally Posted by tombowlus

I sold my Heart-Rock, though I still have my Heart-Core (which sounds very different from the HR, though, so that may not be as helpful).

Tom.

Everyone seems to prefer the HC over the HR, I never had the opportunity although I was able to try the Bass Art Classic pre into a few IP rigs and that was pretty special.

I might just sell my Focus for a Soul II if I don't go the IP route...

[Ric Vice]

Originally Posted by peterpalmieri

Man when I had no money and the choice of those orange Roland combos or the metal GK combo things were much easier.

Peter,
Agreed, but things have really moved up a few notches since then havent they. Uncle Toad is dead on about the VL 208 it's the perfect DB Cabinet and a great match for the Walter Woods Ultra. Unfortunately, Walters amps come at a premium price. But it's the ideal doubling amp for me at least.

Ric

[peterpalmieri]

Originally Posted by Ric Vice

Peter,
Agreed, but things have really moved up a few notches since then havent they. Uncle Toad is dead on about the VL 208 it's the perfect DB Cabinet and a great match for the Walter Woods Ultra. Unfortunately, Walters amps come at a premium price. But it's the ideal doubling amp for me at least.

Ric

The orange Roland was my Junior high and High school supplied amp. My GK (it wasn't the MB150 it was a different model number less then 150 I think maybe MB115E) owned that until about '97 or '98 when it died and I was talked out of repairing it.

I'd pick up a used VL208, they pop up often enough but the guys that like those seem to like the Wizzy 10 too. I think it's very convenient but the tone isn't exactly to die for IMO.

I tend to chase my tail on this one unfortunately.

[Ric Vice]

Originally Posted by peterpalmieri

The orange Roland was my Junior high and High school supplied amp. My GK (it wasn't the MB150 it was a different model number less then 150 I think maybe MB115E) owned that until about '97 or '98 when it died and I was talked out of repairing it.

Peter,

Don't beat yourself up over it. We all do it. The GK was probably either a 200MB Series I or Series II. The new GK MB2 500 has a similar sound to those amplifiers. If EA ever gets the new NM 208 to market then that might be a better choice if it sounds close to the VL, because it's going to be about 15 pounds lighter than the orignial and the sensitivity always seems to improve on the newer EA models. There are some unique things missing from the newer cabinet since the VL has two midrange drivers as well. That's kind of unique. From what I hear the new Wizzy 10 has a very similar sound to the old VL- 108, plus it's lighter and more efficent. That makes sense because John Dong designed both cabinets. The other thing to consider is that it takes a pretty hefty amp to get the VL 208's to "light up".

Ric

[peterpalmieri]

Mine was a 200MB. I haven't heard much on the new GK accept on the electric side. I did email GK a while back it has a 1 mega ohm input.

I wonder if it would be better to just find a different pick up that works with the gear I already have. I guess that's an entirely new nightmare to deal with.

With my pick up I'm usually fighting that upper mid honkyness, it does mostly disapear when playing with a group but man it bugs me.

[Wilbyman]

GK MB150S still sounds pretty good to me and is an easy huck. With some basses (especially those with a strong low mid center) it is better than almost anything.

W