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05-22-2011, 10:23 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Arles - France | | | Okay, thank you Jonas (and special thank to Jonas) and Eric! I will try to record direct in my firebox with earphones and put some audio comparative with my Fullcircle and/or my DPA. |
05-22-2011, 10:43 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Arles - France | | | Er... I am sorry Jonas but there is one thing I do not understand: it's about the mounting clamp. I think that I have to pull off the E string to put it on the "cordier" (I don't know the english word), and it seems that the hole is not big enough to welcome the string AND the clamp.
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05-22-2011, 12:06 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bolinas Ca | | | like they said
closer to the bass bar (or on top of it) and (on my bass) it is more focused and direct (but a little weird in the mids) toward the F hole a much broader more acoustic woody tone but less direct (when walking fast the notes blend in a muddiness especially with a drummer) but sounds really good paired with a FC with the mids rolled off.
I played a concert last night and with the first group I played trio with no drums and it sounded great just by itself, piano bass and clarinet. The second set was in quartet with the badass oboist Paul McCandless and I found myself dialing in more FC.
The thing is, as soon as it comes to a bass solo I am in love with the thing, it has a dynamic range and sensitivity and breath that I really dig. And the TP sounds really excellent, I see why it works on guitar so well. |
05-22-2011, 01:59 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Arles - France | | Ok, I have put some audio clip here: Index of /forum/DPA-Erlhund
Let me try to explain...  I record directly into my firebox Presonus via Logic Pro without any EQ but with the preamp of the mic. The DPA is placed above the bridge (1 cm). The best spots I have found for the Erlhund is on the bass bar. On the url I gave, the audio 1 correspond to the picture 1 and ibid for audio 2. The fullcircle audio (FC) is only for making another comparative.
I wasn't concentrated on the music so... 
Erlhund 1 at the left, Erlhund 2 at the right. |
05-22-2011, 02:10 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Arles - France | | NOOOOO! Don't go to the url, I have made an horrible mistake, and everything is a mix between DPA and Erlhund...  I upload the good stuff. |
05-22-2011, 02:21 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Arles - France | | | Now it is ok... sorry... |
05-26-2011, 01:10 PM
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Thank you for posting these clips!
funny, but i like the FC clip much better then the all the other clips.
Regards,
Paul |
05-26-2011, 02:22 PM
|  | Student of Life Forum Administrator | | Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisville, KY | | Quote:
Originally Posted by paulitto  Hi,
Thank you for posting these clips!
funny, but i like the FC clip much better then the all the other clips. |
Me too. |
05-26-2011, 02:43 PM
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05-26-2011, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by clink Me three by a mile. Even accounting for the volume differences, I think the others will get lost in the mix due to lack of definition. I'd bet the Full Circle will sound more natural on most gigs. | Clink,
Now I'll admit that I'm what you might call an Ehrlund affectionado, but on my bass and through my amps the Ehrlund is much clearer in the mix and better defined than the Realist. I know that's not comparing it to the Full Circle, which has a better defined sound than the Realist and can get louder. Henson bass uses both pickups I believe, maybe we can get him to weigh in. IMHO if you throw out the volume differences then the Ehrlund through an amp or FOH, sounds far more natural than the Realist, or the Full Circle. None of the clips I've heard of the Ehrlund thus far, sound the way it does live.
Ric
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05-26-2011, 05:25 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bolinas Ca | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Ric Vice Clink,
Now I'll admit that I'm what you might call an Ehrlund affectionado, but on my bass and through my amps the Ehrlund is much clearer in the mix and better defined than the Realist. I know that's not comparing it to the Full Circle, which has a better defined sound than the Realist and can get louder. Henson bass uses both pickups I believe, maybe we can get him to weigh in. IMHO if you throw out the volume differences then the Ehrlund through an amp or FOH, sounds far more natural than the Realist, or the Full Circle. None of the clips I've heard of the Ehrlund thus far, sound the way it does live.
Ric | Ric is sure right here. The sound of any pickup direct is not really what the point is. It's how does it sound in your ear when you are on a gig and you are playing based on what you are hearing. If the sound inspires better music then it makes a huge difference.
The Erhlund is a contact mic and recorded direct that is what you hear, but through a speaker when all the highs are blended into the mix and there is this nice percussive thump, it has dimension in a way that even a really well eq'd FC doesn't have. But it has its drawbacks too, as all contact mics do, namely an over emphases on surface noises.
I have just been using it on the underside of the bridge, where the signal is most direct and even and it still gets that woodyness.
I had someone playing my bass at a gig the other night while I played vibes and that woodyness in the bass sure sounded great from where I was playing |
05-26-2011, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Ric Vice Clink,
Now I'll admit that I'm what you might call an Ehrlund affectionado, but on my bass and through my amps the Ehrlund is much clearer in the mix and better defined than the Realist. I know that's not comparing it to the Full Circle, which has a better defined sound than the Realist and can get louder. Henson bass uses both pickups I believe, maybe we can get him to weigh in. IMHO if you throw out the volume differences then the Ehrlund through an amp or FOH, sounds far more natural than the Realist, or the Full Circle. None of the clips I've heard of the Ehrlund thus far, sound the way it does live.
Ric | I don't doubt this one bit but was speculating that, based on the recordings, I wouldn't like it on the gig. Of course, what counts is how our basses sound when the magic happens, not in the controlled environment of our practice rooms.
As much as I appreciate that different pickups and/or mics can get players closer to the sound they hear in their heads, I currently have neither the money, time or energy for it.
I get compliments on my sound from other musicians just using a pickup into a GK metal box. Although I may experiment with something like this at some point in the future, right now I'm concentrating on improving my playing. 
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06-03-2011, 01:25 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bolinas Ca | | | I just don't know about this pickup yet.
All these contact pickups are like stethoscopes and the vibrating bass has so many different nodes of focused overtones. There is a wonderful quality about playing with this pickup in that it really sounds like yur instrument but yet at the same time it is isolating one small portion of the top or bridge to amplify, so the rub for me, or the part of the sound that I have trouble with is those overly prominent overtones that get amped. If you dial them out, you might as well have the FC on there and make it simple.
I played with a guitarist last night and I realized that guitarists deal with that over emphases all the time, it just becomes part of their sound, but we're not used to hearing ourselves like that and it feels somehow exposed.
Because of the amped surface noise I find myself playing lighter and more delicately...I don't know if I want to do that.
Also I find myself thinking about the sound way more then I want to: My FC/ mic sound into the EDB1 I love because I stop thinking about it and just play.
But it does have this something that is just so nice...
BTW I have been running it from its own preamp into one channel of the EDB1 and the FC into the other and then the whole mess into the FXR of the Focus. Sounds best that way to me. |
06-04-2011, 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Maryse Er... I am sorry Jonas but there is one thing I do not understand: it's about the mounting clamp. I think that I have to pull off the E string to put it on the "cordier" (I don't know the english word), and it seems that the hole is not big enough to welcome the string AND the clamp. | This may happen, if the tailpiece's hole is too small. In this case, the clamp doen't work, and you need to use the string to hold the plastic ring for the jack (like known from the Realist etc …)
On most tailpieces, the hole takes both: the string and the clamp's screw. |
06-08-2011, 03:06 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: SF Bay area | | | Has anyone used the ehrlund directly into a Walter Woods, without the extra preamp? Did it work? |
06-08-2011, 07:52 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Nashville, TN | | | Hey Jonas, I have decided to order an Ehrlund from you because I love the mod you performed on it to get rid of the ridiculously long cable. However, I can't access your website, is it down? Is there another way to order? Never Mind, sent you an email.
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Reason: website is back up!
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06-09-2011, 10:01 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Nashville, TN | | | Just to throw this out there, if anyone would like to sell their Ehrlund preamp I would be way into buying it! |
06-10-2011, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by notabene Has anyone used the ehrlund directly into a Walter Woods, without the extra preamp? Did it work? | Notabene,
I have two different models of Walter Woods a MI-400-8 and a Electroacoustic Ultra. The Ehrlund will work directly into the Woods. I know this, because I've forgotten my Ehrlund Pre Amp on a couple of occasions so yes, it will work. I wouldn't want to do it often because the Pre Amp really improves the detail and timbre of the pickup. I've tried several other preamps and the Ehrlund really works the best, with a Headway EDB-1 coming in a close second. I wouldn't want some one to judge the pickup without the pre amp.
Ric |
06-10-2011, 09:47 AM
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Thank you. |
06-10-2011, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Maryse Now it is ok... sorry... | Hi,
it seems to me that there must be still something wrong with the manes of the file.
i just listened to all the files in my studio again through good monitors.
The FC clip has an amount of room and air that is impossible to be captured by the FC. I own also a FC.....
Of course, i could be wrong though....
You might want to check that to avoid confusion.
Beautiful playing btw!
Regards,
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