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02-07-2007, 12:37 PM
|  | Steve Boletchek | | Join Date: May 2005 Location: Apex, NC and Woolwine, VA | | | Righto, it is rather interesting to me too. Yes, I've read the Wizzy web site blurb any number of times.
But notice in John's response that there is no denial of the 1 kHz bump or the house curve either. I would have thought John would have corrected that if it were not true, given the way I worded my question. And he actually says the CXL 112 has an "additional bump about 2.5KHz" ...
It is interesting to me that the thing you mentioned about the sensivity of human listeners to that 1kHz region does seem to align with whatever curve or magic or hump or bump these guys allegedly chose. I'm sure you and John and Gary know more about the science behind all this than I do.
I was just trying to offer one reason why the Wizzy speaks or cuts so well in many people's view. And why with certain types of input sources, that might actually exacerbate the dreaded honking and quacking phenomenon.
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02-07-2007, 01:56 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Morganton, NC | | | I should add that I may be misrepresenting what I'm hearing by using the word "honk." I'm just describing this frequency that jumps out more through the Wizzy than other cabinets I've used, which is not all that many. The cabinet certainly works fine and performs as it should given EA's description of the design of the Wizzy. It just doesn't completely match my preference, which is light on the mids a little bit more on the lower frequencies. But I've been very happy with all other aspects of the cabinet and even think about picking up another one to use as a pair when I play electric. Bolo, have you used them as a pair before? |
02-07-2007, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jimclark68  It just doesn't completely match my preference, which is light on the mids a little bit more on the lower frequencies. | Audition the M line Wizzy if you can. I'll bet you'll like what it adds and what it leaves out compared to the regular Wizzy. |
02-07-2007, 02:41 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Morganton, NC | | | I'm powerfully tempted... |
02-07-2007, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Uncletoad Audition the M line Wizzy if you can. I'll bet you'll like what it adds and what it leaves out compared to the regular Wizzy. |
I'm thinking of adding another Wizzy once I get my amp figured out. Has anyone tried an M-Line/Classic Wizzy stack? That might rock.
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02-07-2007, 07:45 PM
| | Steve Boletchek | | Join Date: May 2005 Location: Apex, NC and Woolwine, VA | | Quote:
Originally Posted by jimclark68 Bolo, have you used them as a pair before? | Jim, I have not. I was all set to buy the powered Wizzy cab to couple up with my combo unit, but Bob G. – always on the lookout for his customers – kinda talked me out of it. He suggested getting a Wizzy 10 and say a Micro or maybe a Clarus instead, if I remember correctly. His reasoning was sound. Roughly the same cost, or slightly less w/ the Micro. This config would allow me to stack the two cabs, using the Micro to power the second cab. Plus I would have a stand-alone Micro + Wizzy 10 nano rig for those "just need a little boost" type gigs.
This givin' anyone any ideas ???  Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncletoad Audition the M line Wizzy if you can. I'll bet you'll like what it adds and what it leaves out compared to the regular Wizzy. | Quote:
Originally Posted by jimclark68 I'm powerfully tempted... | That's my plan, Stan. I am going to try the Wizzy M-line and an AI Series III 2R. Just gotta convince myself I’m ready to part with the scratch at two grand. What else am I gonna do with that income tax refund anyway? Well, there's the wife I reckon. And the youngin'z. 
Then I could stack the regular Wizzy and the M-line for those “so loud I probably don’t really want the gig” gigs for slab. Some of the regional swing dance society gigs that I do without a PA come to mind. Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Redman I'm thinking of adding another Wizzy once I get my amp figured out. Has anyone tried an M-Line/Classic Wizzy stack? That might rock. | Hm, we think alike pal.
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02-07-2007, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bolo That's my plan, Stan. I am going to try the Wizzy M-line and an AI Series III 2R. | I used that rig on a gig not to long ago and was very happy with it.
Could easily see myself using it instead of my beloved VL208.
Brian Glassman (bribass) uses that rig and can't stop hurling superlatives. |
02-07-2007, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Uncletoad Brian Glassman (bribass) uses that rig and can't stop hurling superlatives. | That's gotta be painful.  |
02-07-2007, 09:50 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bolinas Ca | | | Are the new wizzy 10's supposed to be M line? |
02-08-2007, 06:52 AM
| | Steve Boletchek | | Join Date: May 2005 Location: Apex, NC and Woolwine, VA | | | I don't think so. I guess that makes them L-line (??), with the "port" at the bottom of the front of the cab.
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02-10-2007, 07:18 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: AL/GA | | | I have a pair of regular Wizzys, and although I usually use just one on DB gigs with my iAmp 800, I have lately used the pair. I also use the pair for electric bass gigs. I know what you guys refer to in the midrange response as "honk", and I can tell you that a vertical stacking of two Wizzys is really a different sound than just one. The low mids and lows are much more prominent in comparison to the upper mids, which results (to my ears) in less honkiness and a generally richer tone. |
02-10-2007, 03:37 PM
| | Steve Boletchek | | Join Date: May 2005 Location: Apex, NC and Woolwine, VA | | | Mike, yeah I do remember you and Mike Dimin and Tom Bowlus all saying things like two Wizzys is greater than the sum of its parts, stuff like that. I'll bet it does sound seriously nice and full for sure!
I actually placed an order for an M-line on Friday, so soon (I hope) I will be able to try out a regular Wizzy + M-line stack. Best of both worlds kinda thing. Too much to take to most of my gigs for sure, but it might be pretty cool when the situation warrants.
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02-11-2007, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by drurb By the way, even after the "fix" applied to my iAmp, I still use a high-pass filter set at 40 Hz. No more cone dance. | I've been reading this with interest....do I understand correctly that you're using an outboard HPF? I've looked around and not really found units like this for sale (as I understand it..). What unit are you using? |
02-11-2007, 07:50 PM
| | Steve Boletchek | | Join Date: May 2005 Location: Apex, NC and Woolwine, VA | | | Yes, I would like to know too Doc. Still can't share any details ??
Mike, FWIW, in search of a standalone HPF unit, I tried the L.R. Baggs Gigpro. Low cost preamp, clips on your belt or music stand, and includes a HPF.
But ... with my gear I thought it had some strange kind of mid-range scoop that I just didn't care for. To my ears, it really acted almost like a compressor sort of. It took too much off the "hit" at the beginning of each pizz pluck. I couldn't deal with that softening of the attack. I've said this before, but I thought maybe with a jingly-jangly steel string guitar the Gigpro would be great at fattening up the sound. But it didn't work for me on DB unfortunately. Maybe I wasn't using it to its fullest potential, or turning the knobs right. I think some other folks here like it a lot. I dunno.
That is of course with my bass, my pickup, amps, my tastes, et al.
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02-11-2007, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Uncletoad I used that rig on a gig not to long ago and was very happy with it.
Could easily see myself using it instead of my beloved VL208.
Brian Glassman (bribass) uses that rig and can't stop hurling superlatives. | Phil, I'm feelin' a bit queesy again.
I've started a new thread for that promised WW/Wizzy-M vs. AI Focus 2rIII/Wizzy-M comparison. Walter Woods/Wizzy-M vs. AI Focus 2R III/Wizzy-M
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02-12-2007, 11:49 AM
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02-12-2007, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by flatback Are the new wizzy 10's supposed to be M line? | No, they are not. The M-line adds a good bit of wood and some weight, and the goal with the Wizzy 10 was to keep it as light as possible. Of course, it still sounds great!  |
02-12-2007, 08:55 PM
| | Steve Boletchek | | Join Date: May 2005 Location: Apex, NC and Woolwine, VA | | I can only imagine (not having heard them yet myself) that a pair of stacked Wizzy 10s would sound "greater than the sum of its parts" too, similar to what mchildree and Tom have already mentioned about the effect of stacking a pair of "regular" Wizzys.
It does sound pretty appealing to me. One 10 for say small gigs, or a pair when more oomph is needed. Portable and potent I'll bet.
But first things first. Bob G. shipped my M-line today. I think I got one of the last ones out of the original production run.
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02-12-2007, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bolo
But first things first. Bob G. shipped my M-line today. I think I got one of the last ones out of the original production run. | Mazel Tov! I'm sure you'll love it.
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