wizzy 12/wizzy 10 comparison

harquahalas · #1 06-02-2008, 03:49 AM

Just got a Wizzy 12M. Running an Eden WTX260 through it, and just ordered the GB Shuttle 6.0 to a/b the amps. Interested in a Wizzy 10 to replace the 12. Is the 12 perceived as louder, or just a different tone? It seems like the 10 would be more punchy.

glenfong · #2 06-02-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by harquahalas

Just got a Wizzy 12M. Running an Eden WTX260 through it, and just ordered the GB Shuttle 6.0 to a/b the amps. Interested in a Wizzy 10 to replace the 12. Is the 12 perceived as louder, or just a different tone? It seems like the 10 would be more punchy.

if you mean the Wizzy M-line, I've owned both and sold the M-line to buy another Wizzy 10 to keep the original one company.

specs are both 101dB sensitivity, so they do have the same sound output probably at 1Khz. the 12 wasn't necessarily louder but it has more girth to the lows/lower mids which enhanced the low end and actually made it more prone to feedback in my case. the mids/upper mids (which I consider to be the main voice of the instrument) on the 12 are more subdued compared to the 10. the 10 has more predominant mids so I actually hear myself clearly and it really helps with intonation.

both cabs sound punchy, the 10 has more clarity and is easier to hear myself. the 12 has fuller bottom, almost the same top end with less mids and depending on your pickup, it may even sound muddy. for 5-string eb, the 12 sounds better on the low B and is a lot easier to carry than my 15" cab. a single 10 sounds weaker on a 5'er but for a urb or 4-string eb it works great for almost all of the things I do (mostly jazz combos w/drums on urb/eub)

the soundstage on the 10 is incredible though. I can be directly off to the side of it (for minimum feedback) yet I can still hear it easily. it also projects and fills the place like crazy. several band leaders have commented how full the bass sounds when they walk out into the audience and are amazed at the small size of the cab. I don't think my stage volume is very loud, but it seems to open up the further you get from the speaker. the 12 also has the side filling ability as well, just a different sound, a great sound, though not 'my sound'.

best regards, Glen

robgrow · #3 06-02-2008, 01:55 PM

I own both cabs, and my experience has been somewhat similar to Glen's. The Wizzy 10 is an amazing little speaker, and its off-axis response is exceptionally good. However I would not expect the Wizzy 10 to do what the Wizzy M can do. The Wizzy M can develop a lot more sound power in the low end. The Wizzy M has both a larger driver (with more cone area) and a longer transmission line. The laws of physics are the same for both cabinets, and, as always, you don't get something for nothing. As much as I like the Wizzy 10, if I could only keep one cabinet, it would be the Wizzy M-Line.

I should add that I'ved used the Wizzy M for outdoor jazz gigs with no PA support, and it sounded great. I couldn't get away with this with a single Wizzy 10.

MichaelVee · #4 06-02-2008, 02:27 PM

Shuttle 6.0 + Wizzy 12 M-Line is a superb combination.

Roger Davis · #5 06-02-2008, 03:26 PM

I have an Upton Prof which I consider to be a bit on the dark side. So when I matched it to a 12" Wizzy there was masses of bottom but not a lot of mid/upper clarity. For Dixie gigs I now use my old Meinel/Underwood/Fishman Pro EQ/Clarus/12" Wizzy combination with great success.

For trios and smaller combinations I now use the Upton/Full Circle/Fishman Pro/Clarus/Wizzy10 and I'm a very happy guy. The mids and upper mids are fantastic and the clarity is amazing. I have to play a lot more accurately now! Interesting how the Wizz needs round about six hours to break in and develop the cone flexibility and get the lows sorted out. I'm looking forward to trying out larger venues when I can also hook up the second 10" that I have just bought. I'm wondering whether the attack may be compromised with two tens.

glenfong · #6 06-02-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by robgrow

I own both cabs, and my experience has been somewhat similar to Glen's. The Wizzy 10 is an amazing little speaker, and its off-axis response is exceptionally good. However I would not expect the Wizzy 10 to do what the Wizzy M can do. The Wizzy M can develop a lot more sound power in the low end. The Wizzy M has both a larger driver (with more cone area) and a longer transmission line. The laws of physics are the same for both cabinets, and, as always, you don't get something for nothing.

true dat, Rob.

the little Wizzy 10 can get pretty close to defying the laws of physics, and when I need to get crazy loud, I'll hook up the second Wizzy 10 (can't wait to try this on a gig sometime, of course with a 2 ohm capable amp)

harquahalas · #7 06-02-2008, 05:16 PM

Thanks for all the helpful info. Is the Wizzy 10 not available in the M-line? My 12M has a vent on each side covered in the same metal mesh as the front. The pics I've seen don't have these vents.

robgrow · #8 06-02-2008, 10:22 PM

All Euphonic Audio speaker cabinets are based on transmission line designs. The transmission line is a long duct behind the speaker that is folded up inside the cabinet. The Wizzy M (with a 12-inch driver) uses an M-shaped transmission line design. The vents you see on the side are at the ends of the transmission line. The transmission line used in the Wizzy 10 design has a single opening, which is behind the front grille, right below the driver.

VincentPuleo · #9 06-02-2008, 10:29 PM

wait, is there a Wizzy 10 and then a Wizzy 10M? is one better then the other?

robgrow · #10 06-02-2008, 10:42 PM

In the Euphonic Audio product line, there is a Wizzy M-Line which uses a 12-inch driver and a Wizzy 10 that uses a 10-inch driver. To the best of my knowledge there is no Wizzy 10 M. I would recommend directing any specific questions about EA speakers to Larry or John at Euphonic Audio. They are the experts when it comes to their products, and they are also very helpful. Their contact info is available at eaamps dot com.

jsbarber · #11 06-03-2008, 07:46 AM

There are three Wizzy cabinets, (so far). Wizzy-10, Wizzy-12, and M-Line Wizzy (which is also a 12):

http://gollihurmusic.com/Category/8-...S.html?from=16

There are other great EA cabs that use tweeters instead of the wizzer cone driver, (NL-210 & CXL112, e.g.), that are worth considering if you can deal with a bit more weight.

Jim

bribass · #12 06-05-2008, 10:55 AM

I have both the Wiz M-line 12 and a Wiz 10 that I use w/ a Focus or my old Walter Woods.

BOTH ARE GREAT CABS!

If I had to have only one I would get he 12. Incredible for DB or BG and can get darn LOUD for a small 33 lb. box. It has a surround-sound thing about it that is amazing. Seems to throw the sound all around the room.

The 10 sounds great too, perhaps not as airy, girthy and detailed sounding as the 12, but for a 17 lb. box it can't be beat for convenience and tuff load-ins. W/ a bit of low end push the DB sounds great in small to med. sized rooms.This li'l cab can really surprise you w/ its presence. I even used it outdoors last night on a drummerless trio gig and it sounded FAT.

I have other good cabs and combo amps (Aggie, Flite, Polytone, Yorkville). None of them have seen any action outside of my house since I purchased these EA cabs.

For BG, DB and doubling I use the 12.

Haven't tried BG thru the 10 yet.

Both are magic boxes!

BG

Ike Harris · #13 06-05-2008, 11:09 AM

Recently moved into the Clarus/M line/Wizzy 10 combo after 20+ yrs with the MB200. So much more natural sounding and plenty of headroom so far even with the old Underwood. Just got the Wizzy in yesterday(Bob G's the man), but I can see the advantage of having the smaller setup with less bottom for certain settings. Have had to cut back on the lows on some gigs - will be nice to have the flyweight cab to tote - even lighter than the GK!

Ike

bribass · #14 06-06-2008, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Roger Davis

Interesting how the Wizz needs round about six hours to break in and develop the cone flexibility and get the lows sorted out.

Ike, let us know if you find this to be the case w/ your new Wiz 10.

Maybe that's why I did seem to marvel at its sound more after a few gigs.

Come to think of it I'm running the EQ flatter lately compared to when I first bought the cab. I think I was pushing the lows more when it was brand new.

BG

adbass · #15 06-06-2008, 08:54 AM

When I first ran the Clarus wizzy10 combo I felt the amp needed to have the lows boosted and the mids cut to tame the mids on the cab.

This definitely changed after some gigs, and I ended up running the amp basically flat. I got accustomed to allowing the mids to add definition and presence to my sound. Listening back to these gigs, the bass was clear, warm and still had plenty of lows.

fingers · #16 06-06-2008, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bribass

Come to think of it I'm running the EQ flatter lately compared to when I first bought the cab. I think I was pushing the lows more when it was brand new.

I have found the same with the 12M.

Ike Harris · #17 06-06-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bribass

Ike, let us know if you find this to be the case w/ your new Wiz 10.

Maybe that's why I did seem to marvel at its sound more after a few gigs.

Come to think of it I'm running the EQ flatter lately compared to when I first bought the cab. I think I was pushing the lows more when it was brand new.

BG

Yeah, I was just reading that in the material that came with it. I'll get back to you in a few weeks. Got some work on a loud show that has it's own back line, but a few quiet trio things as well. It's a little "narrow" sounding here at home, needing the eq towards the bottom as well, but if it does come into it's own soundwise, it should be ideal. The same thing was advised when my last 200MB got a new speaker in it - the sound was not as it had been before but rounded out nicely in time. Granted, this stuff costs more than the couple hundred I put into the GKs, but seeing how much you can spend on a decent-to-great upright, these cabs are a very good deal for the money if you want to hear your instrument sound like itself "only louder".

Ike

jgbass · #18 06-06-2008, 10:55 AM

Any thoughts on the wisdom of having two Wizzy 10s? The Wizzy 10 is fine for small jazz gigs, but I am thinking it would be wise to have another 10 for a larger gig. Is this working well for anyone else? Better options in the interest of space saving and lightness in weight?

I am getting rid of a cab that is too large and heavy and thinking of replacing this with another Wizzy 10. I might want to use electric bass occasionally with this as well. I would be running either a GK MB150 head or the GK700 head with the two Wizzy's.

adbass · #19 06-06-2008, 11:16 AM

There's been some discourse on this recently. Chris is using two w10s. For my money I'd get a 12M and a w10. Throw in a HPF to eliminate feedback and that should cover you in any situation.

**Chris Fitzgerald** · #20 06-06-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jgbass

Any thoughts on the wisdom of having two Wizzy 10s? The Wizzy 10 is fine for small jazz gigs, but I am thinking it would be wise to have another 10 for a larger gig. Is this working well for anyone else?

Yes. For loud DB gigs, two Wizzy 10's are heaven. For doubling, they kill on BG.

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Better options in the interest of space saving and lightness in weight?

Not that I've found. Keep in mind, though, it's been a few years since I subbed for Insane Clown Posse. If I had that gig back, I'd probably want a heftier rig.

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I am getting rid of a cab that is too large and heavy and thinking of replacing this with another Wizzy 10. I might want to use electric bass occasionally with this as well. I would be running either a GK MB150 head or the GK700 head with the two Wizzy's.

I think you'd be well pleased by what two of these can do. Check in with the Toadster for an alternate view.