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Old 06-17-2008, 07:21 PM
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i know that it likely doesn't exist, but what's the one mic that can do almost anything?
i'm looking for one to use live and for recording, with the least colouration and the most transparent voicing, to just capture the sound of my bass through my cab.
(it's a Bag End S15L, so it's rather old school)
or the best mic to capture that old school vibe, but without killing the full frequency range my cab produces.

what did everyone use on the B-15's back in the day?
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Old 06-17-2008, 07:35 PM
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My picks would be:
Shure Sm7b (not a 57 or 58 but 7)
Elecro-Voice RE20


After those two, there's a modification that can be done to a Shure SM57 that opens it up. I have one and it sounds really good. It requires a little better pre amp but, it's an easy mod.

Some folks like kick drum mics, I don't. Of course, YMMV.
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Shure SM57 has always been my go-to mike. It's somewhat darker sounding compared to the rest of the horde, but it like that sound.
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Your asking for a mic that doesnt exist. For everyone of your wants Id suggest a different mic.

Most transparent: an earthworks
Live and Recording: some sort of dynamic, like a re20 or a 421
What did people put in front of b-15's back in the day, probably like a fet47, but thats far from pristine.

My guess is youd want a fairly colored mic, most mics that are designed to track bass are pretty colored.

Most condensers will do 20Hz-20KHz. Thats definately not gonna kill the frequency of your cab.

You also didnt cite a budget. Given all of your wants id probably suggest a fet47, but even the copies go for several grand. Itd probably be cheaper to get several mics to choose from.
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Old 06-17-2008, 11:07 PM
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My picks would be:
Shure Sm7b (not a 57 or 58 but 7)
Elecro-Voice RE20


After those two, there's a modification that can be done to a Shure SM57 that opens it up. I have one and it sounds really good. It requires a little better pre amp but, it's an easy mod.

Some folks like kick drum mics, I don't. Of course, YMMV.
what is that mod of which you speak?
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Old 06-18-2008, 08:14 AM
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what is that mod of which you speak?
If this post reads a bit odd - it's because I originally posted this as a topic starter on another board. For ease on my part, I copied pasted it here:


What is described was originally in TapeOp Magazine a while back. IIRC, Terry Manning's name was some how associated with the article.
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When I first saw this in the March/April TapeOp Magazine I thought it was an 'April Fool's' article. This was especially true considering that the magazine's first step was: Put on a pot of water to boil.. really!!



So, I did a little research and finally decided this was indeed a real deal and gave it whirl.


I had two 57's so I decided to sacrifice one instead of buying another. In the event of failure at least I would not have 'invested' any cash.

Observation number 1. This is really easy. The hardest part is soldering the new wire into place. If you can solder at all, you can do this.

OK, here was my procedure, following guidlines in TapeOp Magazine.

a) I opened the 57 at the middle and snipped the two wires that lead to the transformer.

b) I removed the XLR plug, you run down the set screw and pull the connector out, then snip the two wires. I used needle nose pliars to accomplish this.

c) I put the bottom section of the mic, with the XLR connector removed, into a pot of boiling water. I allowed it to heat up for about a minute and a half. Picked up the heated section (with tongs and then held it with an oven mit)..

d) With needle nose pliars I grabbed the two wires at the top end and pulled out the transformer. It's held in place with what appears to be hot glue.



At this point, I put in an extra step to distinguish this now modified 57 from it's twin in my mic locker (more on this in a minute).

e) I cut a piece of sheilded audio cable just long enough to reach from the capsule thru the bottom of the mic. I stripped the ends of the wire (fwiw I left the sheild and casing on the cable to fit thru the small hole that is in the middle of the mic).

f) I solderd red to the + side of the capsule, then to pin 2 on the XLR connector. I soldered black to the other side and pin 3. Pin 1 on a newer SM57 is grounded via the connector sheild to the body of the mic.

I reassembled the sections (screw'em back together) and was ready to see just how much damage was done.

OK, backing up just a touch. Before I soldered the connection back together, I grabbed some masking tape and covered all the vital parts of the mod57. I took it out to the garage and painted it with some 'aircraft grey' spray paint.

This will help me distinguish my mod57 from stock at a glance.


OK back to the story. First thing I noticed.. WOW the mic actually works without the transformer!!


I plugged my two SM57's into the same mixer and set up some headphones to listen in on.. BUT I matched gain on the two before listening.
The modded 57's output is lower, but not enough to cause any problems. I was able to match gain relatively easy just using my mixer's gain structure.

The bass is increased noticably on the modded 57 and it's crisper on top. SO if you've ever 'smiley faced' the EQ on a stock 57 for vocals or instrument micing then this mod is for you.

The mic actually sounds more 'open' to me but my initail tests were done using a Samson mixer and some cheesey headphones. I really want to try this thru a couple of good mic pres to see what it sounds like (I think my JoeMeek will be perfect).

I don't know that I can say that the modded 57 sounds like a SM7 or not (alluded to in the TapeOp article), I don't have an SM7 of my own to compare it to. However, my initial reaction is, it's more open with more low and high end. That'd be more 7'ish than it's unmodded brother.

I'm not dissappointed.



Oh, before I forget, here's the pair are on the bench alongside the removed transformer:
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What you want is a mic with flat response that will handle high sound levels. I've found that my CAD E100 really good a close mic'ing amps as well as general recording.
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On a budget SM-57

For dynamic not on a budget:
My favorite mic which I think can do just about any thing is an EV RE-20, next would be a Senn. 421 then a Shure SM-7.

I'd like to have about 4 RE-20's just to make me feel safe at night!
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On a budget SM-57

For dynamic not on a budget:
My favorite mic which I think can do just about any thing is an EV RE-20, next would be a Senn. 421 then a Shure SM-7.

I'd like to have about 4 RE-20's just to make me feel safe at night!
+1 RE-20. I usually use mine for a kick mic but it's really good on almost everything. I use my SM7 mostly for vocals with good results. Don't have the 421 but I want
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I like the RE-20 for a bass mic as well, but I REALLY like the Heil PR 40. $75 cheaper, goes to 28 hz, pretty well flat response all the way up with a slight bump at 3k.

But honestly, I've liked pretty much any mic I've ever used on bass with the exception of kick drum mics.
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