Which Mixer?

[anotherbassist]

My band has decided to record a demo and were going to buy a mixer. Were looking to use 3-4 mics for drums, 1 mic for vocals, one unmic'd guitar and one unmic'd bass. What size mixer should we get? I'll be running my bass through the XLR lineout on my amp and I believe the guitarist will be doing the same. So does that mean we need a mixer with 7 mic inputs? Could someone show me a certain mixer that would work for us?
Thanks

[rubo]

Always think ahead, first you think you need only 6 inputs then before you know it you're up to 16. Lets work back wards, what is your budget?

Cheers

[Kelly Lee]

I think more needs to be known about what your trying to do.

Are you just wanting to record the whole band at once onto a stereo track or are you wanting to record each instrument to its own track?

[anotherbassist]

Were going to try to record everyone at once and we'll be running the mixer into quartz studio on the pc. I dont really no our budget, less than $300. After we get the recording done were burn it to some cds (I dont understand stereo and mono very much).

[rubo]

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Stay awya from Mackie.

Cheers

[anotherbassist]

If I were to get this one
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/...se_pid/630919/
Could we plug the mics and my amp into the XLR inputs and run the guitar through a DI box and run him into and XLR also then run the output to a computer?

[rubo]

Sure you can do all of those things, but be careful with the amp going into the XLR input because that way you're doing double amplification, you could blow your op-amps or capasitors on your mixer, and your speakers as well.

Also one thin people disregard a lot is the quality of the cables, you wont believe how much difference it makes, specially eliminating extra noise. So you'll need at least $75 - $100 for some quality cables. Best bet is call http://www.gepco.com/
they'll make you custom made cables for a good price. Or if you're being everything from one place then get some Monster or Mogami cables. for Mics you'll need balanced XLR to XLR, for D.I. and bass depending on the D.I. Inputs and outputs, but my guess is unbalanced mono 1/4" to 1/4". And from the mixer to your sound card you have to check what kind of main outs the E8 has and what kind of inputs your sound card has. My guess is XLR out on the mixer and 1/4" input on the sound card. Make sure you measure slightly longer cables then you need, os you don't get stuck with short ones. Remember the shorter the cable the less noise you'll get.

Cheers

[anotherbassist]

Ok but what do you mean about my amp, its a fender rumble 100 with an XLR out with a ground lift switch (I dont know what that is)? I wasnt planning on running my bass through a DI but I was with guitar.

[rubo]

Originally Posted by anotherbassist

Ok but what do you mean about my amp, its a fender rumble 100 with an XLR out with a ground lift switch (I dont know what that is)? I wasnt planning on running my bass through a DI but I was with guitar.

It depends are you using the amp for a certain effect or a tone, if not it will only add more noise, so you can skip it, and simply go from your bass guitar to your D.I. to you mixer or skip the D.I and straight into the mixer. The mixer has a powerfull enough pre-amp to drive your bass and record a decent level. Once you get the mixer experiment and see how it is with the Rumbler and without. What kind of speakers are you using or will be using?

Cheers

[Droog]

Originally Posted by rubo

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Stay awya from Mackie.

Cheers

Why?

The Mackie VLZ PRO's are nicer than the Spirits by Soundcraft. Quiter Pre's anyway. The Onyx series are slick too, especially for multitrack recording.

Based on the original post however, I would say, buy what ever fits your budget and need. If you make something cheap sound good, then imagine what will happen when you buy something a little nicer.

[rubo]

My friend had the VLZ in his studio, it would just suck the life out of the sound, it's harsh and dull sounding. I used to bring different mixers to his studio like Allen & Heath and others for comparison - there was no comparison. If you're buying a mixer simply for the mixing options not it's sound then there are lots of cheaply priced mixers out there wiht tons of options. But why waste money if you can add a few more bucks and get something decent. I always preferred the sound of British mixers to the USA ones.


anotherbassist - if you really want a killer sounding mixer for more money then check out Allen & Heath Mixwizard 12:2 model.

http://www.allen-heath.com/DisplayProduct.asp?pview=48

Used they go fro about $500 US.


I owned one it was the 14/4/2 model, absolutely loved it. Warm, quite and transparent and very musical. Also had a killer EQ. I upgraded to Midas Venice 160 which is on another level by itself.

Cheers

[anotherbassist]

What about those cheap blue Yamaha mixers? I was planning on running through my amp to get the tone from that. What exactly does the groundlift do?

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Originally Posted by anotherbassist

What about those cheap blue Yamaha mixers? I was planning on running through my amp to get the tone from that. What exactly does the groundlift do?

I ordered one of the Yamaha MG 12/4s a little while back. It's not in yet, but I can give you my impressions of it in a week or so.

[matt bass]

Originally Posted by anotherbassist

What about those cheap blue Yamaha mixers?

I use an MG12/4 for recording, bought used. Personally im starting to regret not buying the next model up purely for the extra input capacity.

Very easy control pannel, plenty of ins/outs, decent pres for the money and not overly noisy.

For the money, i cant complain.

Matt

[Incubus]

Originally Posted by Droog

Why?

The Mackie VLZ PRO's are nicer than the Spirits by Soundcraft. Quiter Pre's anyway. The Onyx series are slick too, especially for multitrack recording.

Based on the original post however, I would say, buy what ever fits your budget and need. If you make something cheap sound good, then imagine what will happen when you buy something a little nicer.

I have used the Onyx in studios. It is a very, very good product but it is a wee bit overpriced. Mackie's support tends to be un-helpful.

If you are really that low on money, get a Behringer mixer.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/...se_pid/631231/


http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/...se_pid/631230/

Originally Posted by rubo

My friend had the VLZ in his studio, it would just suck the life out of the sound, it's harsh and dull sounding. I used to bring different mixers to his studio like Allen & Heath and others for comparison - there was no comparison. If you're buying a mixer simply for the mixing options not it's sound then there are lots of cheaply priced mixers out there wiht tons of options. But why waste money if you can add a few more bucks and get something decent. I always preferred the sound of British mixers to the USA ones.


anotherbassist - if you really want a killer sounding mixer for more money then check out Allen & Heath Mixwizard 12:2 model.

http://www.allen-heath.com/DisplayProduct.asp?pview=48

Used they go fro about $500 US.


I owned one it was the 14/4/2 model, absolutely loved it. Warm, quite and transparent and very musical. Also had a killer EQ. I upgraded to Midas Venice 160 which is on another level by itself.

Cheers

From what i here, those are really nice mixers. If you have the money. Good luck!

[Droog]

Yeah, I would not say that Mackie has the best support. Ever since they sold out.

Indeed Allen and Heath and the Midas line are great mixers. Though for tracking I would love to have aTube Tracker Way richer sound for recording purposes, but lots o' $$$ too.