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Old 01-14-2008, 08:53 PM
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So the time finally came for us to enter the studio.

Some of you may have seen our post on my qualms on our studio choice. In brief: We got a hell of a deal recording a 7 song EP for $750, including mastering. I want to get it mastered elsewhere, but we don't have vocals or the extra money, and the price includes mastering. So we are going to get 7 instrumentals finished, and then after deciding on a vocalist and writing lyrics for the few that do not have them, we are going to re-mix and re-master the 7 songs and possibly record a few more and call it an LP (our songs average 4-7 minutes).

The BBE Bmax-T has a DI with a Jensen Transformer. I was under the impression the Jenson added to the overall cost of the Bmax-T (compared to the cheaper solid-state version w/o the Jensen) and added to the performance of the DI out as well. I also though that the Jensen Transformer was put in there to make the DI extra clean. As of today, I can tell you that Jensen Transformer on the DI is useless [for recording] because the DI too noisy to record direct with. The EQ was flat and the Compressor and Sonic Maximizer was off. I went direct because we tracked live and there was only one isolation room. I ended up using a Sansamp RBI instead. It sure made me wish I hadn't sold my RBI for drug money! (sober over 6 months now ).

The other problem I ran into, was the high-impedence inputs on both the Sansamp PSA-1 (SVT setting) and the Sansamp RBI, which caused my active bass to distort when plucking hard (yes,I changed my battery), even with the -20db pad pushed in on the RBI. Now I know why recording engineers hate active basses and why most session players don't use them. We ended up getting a usable tone with the drive all the way down on the RBI.

The BBE however, did not distort since it has a true active input (guessing), but like I said earlier, was too noisy to record direct with. I was bummed...is there anyway the 5751 in place of the 12AX7 could have caused this extra noise? I'm thinking not. I plan on calling BBE and talking to them about this, as I was under the impression that many use/have used this preamp for recording.

Other than that recording went awesome. We tracked 5 songs live, the rest one instrument at a time. I love our drummer so much, he hit a 5-minute song (just drums) in one take.

I've been planning on buying a passive J-bass type for a while now, this gives me even more of an incentive. I like to hear some thoughts on noisy DI on supposedly high-end preamps as well as opinions on recording direct with active basses?

Edit: Sorry for the novel! You guys know how it is when you haven't posted in a while...
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Old 01-16-2008, 08:52 AM
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Are you sure it's your gear that's noisy and not the studio?
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Old 01-16-2008, 09:17 AM
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When you see a post where someone says: "leave that crap at home and take the shortest path to the mixing desk" you will nod silently in agreement. Simply put - Any studio that can dial in your sound direct to tape does not need your rack gear to make it happen. If they can't, then your gear is just making the process harder.

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