would I benefit from logic 8 studio?

Bjazzman · #1 08-24-2009, 04:29 PM

I have pro tools and ableton live 7. I'm wondering if there would be a benefit to having logic as well? does pro tools work with final cut?

I have a g5 quad so I won't be able to upgrade to logic 9 anyway

thanks

jonotronic · #2 08-24-2009, 04:33 PM

Not a great purchase unless you use a lot of midi. If you are recording audio mainly, stick to protools.

Bjazzman · #3 08-24-2009, 04:37 PM

what would be a lot of midi? I want to use plugins like reason and massive and such. I have a usb m audio ozone 49 keyboard I will be using for triggering

Charling · #4 08-24-2009, 04:47 PM

Logic is a really in depth program that can do a LOT more than pro tools, and not just with midi stuff. It has a lot of advantages over pro tools if you want to really take control of the environment you make music in.

It has great features like an ACTUAL virtual desk that's separate to the arrange window if you want it to be (ie one channel for multiple arrange tracks if you want, and thats just the beggining) it has 100 ways of doing everything (which is good or bad, depending on your perspective!), it's approach to recording take folders and comping is far in advance of pro tools. and the new logic 9 has much better beat detective options, albeit a bit more fiddly to use.

and that sets the tone for logic really, there are a lot of features and as such it can be a frustrating program to use, even just for the basics, until you know it. And thats before you lift the hood and look into the environment, then things can get super fun, but really very tricky.

Pro tools on the other hand doesn't even have a hood, what you see is what you get, and its great because of that. when doing a straight up recording project I tend to use pro tools. for a bigger more in depth project I normally end up starting or transferring to logic. The MAIN features you need are all there at the touch of one button for pro tools (want a fade? select and press f for example! awesome! one thing I wish logic had)

the workflow on pro tools is really smooth from the offset and you won't get that with logic UNTIL you have learnt it, and learnt HOW you like to use it. All the top logic engineers I know do things differently! whereas we all use pro tools in much the same way.

My advice would be stick with tools, it a lot of money for logic and a lot of money for a program you may just use a bit. If you are quite good at learning new programs, have the spare cash and want to try something new I'd HIGHLY recommend it, I've never been so impressed by an audio program, and logic has its real die hard fans for a good reason!

But as I say, its a big purchase, pro tools is (despite its quirks) a really great program that makes recording music a breeze at the expense of a lot of extra but little used features.

If you want a more in depth overview of the stuff logic can do then let me know!

Charling · #5 08-24-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bjazzman

what would be a lot of midi? I want to use plugins like reason and massive and such. I have a usb m audio ozone 49 keyboard I will be using for triggering

Not a problem with either program, pro tools midi is pretty good these days, especially in 8. Logic's is top notch. reason is not a plug as such, its a rewire slave, but both programs will work with it fine in slightly different ways. Pro tools slightly quicker and easier, of course, logic slightly more in depth!

deliciouspesto · #6 08-24-2009, 05:00 PM

no, its a nightmare. If you are looking for another DAW app, get reaper.

Charling · #7 08-24-2009, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by deliciouspesto

no, its a nightmare. If you are looking for another DAW app, get reaper.

hehe, bad experiences? In what way a nightmare? Reapers great but the advantage of logic (if you already have a DAW you are comfortable with) would be to get a DAW that can really do ANYTHING you want, so I wouldn't necessarily advise reaper as a SECOND DAW!

sonic assassin · #8 08-25-2009, 12:29 AM

i use logic 8 daily and love every second of it. if you like pro tools, then you arent missing out on a ton (other than free plugins). i just like logic's workflow exponentially over PT

DocBop · #9 08-25-2009, 09:28 AM

I use both and Logic's focus is on composers with lots of looks, midi support, synth's and plugs. PT is still stronger for recording and editing. Where I work the video team uses Final Cut we use PT for all audio. Somethings we feed Final Cut a 2-mix from PT during capture, other things we mix in PT and supply video with BWav's they import into Final Cut.

In long run good to know how to use both, but learn one inside out first then learning a second or third DAW will be easy.

Charling · #10 08-25-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DocBop

I use both and Logic's focus is on composers with lots of looks, midi support, synth's and plugs. PT is still stronger for recording and editing.

I don't know about this anymore, it certainly used to be the case but look at all the stuff you have in logic these days..

Take folders, for example. When comping vocals in pro tools it is always a bit of a workaround. Logic is not only ahead of the game with the fundamentals, they have also developed the idea further and I don't think pro tools will catch up for a while.

Logics fade system is a bit more clunky, and the multi tool in pro tools is a real bonus. But with a two button mouse you can use three tools in one with logic (so you can essentially design your own multi tool!), you have sample based editing, fully featured synchronisation if you want to use tape, a more advanced mixer (MUCH more advanced!). Logic also has an actual wave editor (pro tools doesn't)! very useful. logic 9 now has (finally) fade boxes in the corner for waveforms as well.

With equivalents of tab to transients, beat detective (of which the new logic one is a bit more advanced), a group system (not a elegant but is as fully featured as pro tools') I think logic is a fully fledged member of the audio recording world now.

We have a lot of big engineers come through the studio where I work, many come expecting to use pro tools but end up using logic when they realise we have it! These are big producers recording big albums, and these days half want to use logic!

I'm not a logic nut! i'll use anything really, I still love pro tools for its simplicity, but I think the notion that logic=composing and midi, pro tools= audio should have died a long time ago!

depalm · #11 08-25-2009, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jonotronic

Not a great purchase unless you use a lot of midi. If you are recording audio mainly, stick to protools.

That's an old cliche about Logic.
It's still strong with MIDI but is great with audio too.

I use both on many projects.

Logic is a great app, killer price, lots of plug-ins, good virtual synths, great sampler, huge sound library so you can start making music right out of the box.

Protools is great also, industry standard.

Nick Kay · #12 08-25-2009, 01:30 PM

Short answer: No.

Long answer: No, unless you find that you're not getting all of the features and tweakability you need out of PT or Ableton, or you can already navigate a session with your current DAWs using just hotkeys and feel like learning a new system.

What, exactly, do you feel that you're missing with PT and Ableton?

jonotronic · #13 08-25-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by depalm

That's an old cliche about Logic.
It's still strong with MIDI but is great with audio too.

I use both on many projects.

Logic is a great app, killer price, lots of plug-ins, good virtual synths, great sampler, huge sound library so you can start making music right out of the box.

Protools is great also, industry standard.

Don't get me wrong, I use Logic 8 on a daily basis and it does represent a good deal. It's handling of audio is very good and the plugins and instruments represent fantastic value, especially in the express version. I like the Apogee direct control too, very nice function. Through using protools LE extensively I slightly prefer the audio editing, it always seemed a bit more intuitive but the MIDI handling in version 7 was at best crude in comparison. The new version of protools is apparently improved greatly, although I couldn't comment on it.

My main gripe re protools is the slow release of updates to go along with new mac software updates. At one point it was 3 months before protools would run on a newly purchased imac in my workplace, and even then there were issues.

If you use Midi to a serious extent Logic is king - I have a MIDI environment controlling all the paramaters on my Korg triton and Emu Proteus!!