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Old 01-18-2009, 08:44 AM
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Best Musical Advice Somone Gave You

What's the best advice that someone gave you? I'm sure much of the advice can be applied to many things beside music or bass.

For me its:

"If you think you can, you're right. If you think you can't, you're right."

This next one is some advice I got from Rufus Reid last summer:

"If you don't kick your own butt now, someone else will end up kicking it."

Both these tips keep me motivated and working hard when I practicing.
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I have two

The first is a cliche one that is very important for all musicians to remember "If you can't play it slow, how are you going to play it fast?" I take this both for the literally meaning and I interpret it as meaning pursuing music requires a great deal of patience and shouldn't be rushed through.

The second was offer by my youth orchestra conductor last year "Music is not a competition between you and your stand partner, it is between you, the composer and yourself to see how beautifully you can play the music." This one is so important for those of us headed off to music school and professional orchestras. And in this setting it was so very important because the youth orchestra I was playing in was ultra competitive and directed in an old school, rigid style.
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Too many to recall, but I remember the source: Dr. William AuMiller, Supt. of Schools, Allegany Co. (Cumberland), Maryland. He was my high school music instructor, bandleader, etc. back in the mid 70's. Played a mean set of drums as well.

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Curious as to why this is in the orchestral technique section, but...

"Those who sightread at the highest level are playing by ear through their eyes."
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Old 01-18-2009, 09:59 AM
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Ron Bolduc told me something about milling guitar fretboards which has proven to be true about everything else:

"The first two hundred are the toughest."
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Old 01-18-2009, 10:13 AM
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Old 01-18-2009, 10:19 AM
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Curious as to why this is in the orchestral technique section, but...

"Those who sightread at the highest level are playing by ear through their eyes."
That's synaesthesia, right? where you see colors as sounds.

On the part though I think musical/inspirational quotes might be most important to orchestral musicians, seeing as we spend what seems like 99% of our time in the practice room, grinding away at monotonous technique work and building skill through repetition.
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Old 01-18-2009, 10:28 AM
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On the part though I think musical/inspirational quotes might be most important to orchestral musicians, seeing as we spend what seems like 99% of our time in the practice room, grinding away at monotonous technique work and building skill through repetition.
Yeah...I wasn't sure where else to place this thread and it makes sense to be in the Orchestral Technique section for the reason that Eli pointed out.
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Old 01-18-2009, 10:36 AM
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Filling in at last minute for a national act...regular bass player injured before show...this guy had a run in the 50's and 60's as a crooner...don't want to name names...but the most invaluable advice I ever received from anyone came when I was introduced to him 15 minutes before the show..."Kid, don't f*** up."
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That's synaesthesia, right? where you see colors as sounds.
Nah - just technique. You hear the sounds of the written notation when you see the dots/symbols (just like in written language), then play the sound of what you're hearing internally rather than typing.

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On the part though I think musical/inspirational quotes might be most important to orchestral musicians, seeing as we spend what seems like 99% of our time in the practice room, grinding away at monotonous technique work and building skill through repetition.
Dunno about the first part of this, but I'm not itching to move it or anything...just curious.
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The old Charlie Haden quote always keeps me focused: "Play each note like your life depends on it"
and, a little more in the karmic abstract, but compelling: "Live your life like each note depends on it"

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Nah - just technique. You hear the sounds of the written notation when you see the dots/symbols (just like in written language), then play the sound of what you're hearing internally rather than typing.



Dunno about the first part of this, but I'm not itching to move it or anything...just curious.
haha I wasn't being serious, It just reminded me of the guy who sees numbers as colors and is able blend them to do math.

I should have worded that, its not that its MOST important to classical musicians, just that it is important for classical musicians to be focused and motivated. So quotes are something that you can recall when things get tough while practicing.
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"Amateurs practice until they get it right. Professionals practice until they can't get it wrong."

On learning how to improvise -"Play everything! If it sounds bad, don't do it again."
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"Amateurs practice until they get it right. Professionals practice until they can't get it wrong."

On learning how to improvise -"Play everything! If it sounds bad, don't do it again."
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Hahaha! What! I like that advice! I guess you go on MostlyBass too?
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rabbath: "if you want to be virchoso, you must practice like virchoso"
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Dr. Edward Carney, my high school orchestra director (1966-1969), told me to keep away from politics and NEVER get involved with orchestra committees.
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