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Old 12-21-2009, 08:53 PM
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after making many posts about guitars, i finally have something bass related.

this is a squier jazz that i used a lot for high school but haven't played it since, so i decided to try this out. this page outlines the fretting method:
http://www.cyberferal.com/UncleBob/design.html

as for 31et, i'm loving it but it can be real hard to wrap your head around. i'll put up a short track tomorrow (on 31et guitar, unfortunately the bass was not ready in time for the session).

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Old 12-22-2009, 12:06 AM
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Awesome, can't wait. I also can't wait for the bass tracks. Please...
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Old 12-22-2009, 02:38 AM
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Cool. Glad to see you're still exploring the unusual, non-12-TET area. I still can't wrap my head around how it'd sound.
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Old 12-22-2009, 03:49 AM
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I would understand breaking an octave into 24 steps so you deal with quarter tones.

Why did you choose 31? Is there a precident? Was there mathmatical logic, or did you just pull 31 out of thin air and want to know what it sounds like?

Are the certain intervals or harmonys that you find interesting?

Can you play with somebody who is playing a 'conventional' instrument? Can you play along with a 'conventiona' tune? Or do you need to play with other 31-et instruments?

And just what does ET stand for. I just figured out what your are talking about by context.
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Old 12-22-2009, 05:16 AM
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I saw a picture of a guy with a warwick with 30 some frets in bassplayer long ago. They were talking about some weird tuning. I wondered then and I wonder now. Could you explain more? It seems interesting.
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Old 12-22-2009, 08:08 AM
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Why did you choose 31? Is there a precident? Was there mathmatical logic, or did you just pull 31 out of thin air and want to know what it sounds like?
31-TET means 31-tone-equal-temperament. For details, look here
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Old 12-22-2009, 02:20 PM
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I would understand breaking an octave into 24 steps so you deal with quarter tones.

Why did you choose 31? Is there a precident? Was there mathmatical logic, or did you just pull 31 out of thin air and want to know what it sounds like?

Are the certain intervals or harmonys that you find interesting?

Can you play with somebody who is playing a 'conventional' instrument? Can you play along with a 'conventiona' tune? Or do you need to play with other 31-et instruments?

And just what does ET stand for. I just figured out what your are talking about by context.
yes ET means equal temperament. similar to how 12et is based on
the 12th-root-of-2:1, 31et is based on the 31st-root-of-2:1. you can do the same with any number of divisions, it will always produce steps (cent-wise) of equal size.

in short, 31et gives you near-perfect 5/4 (major third) and 7/4 (harmonic seventh), while maintaining a usable fifth. it also approximates neutral seconds and thirds (found in some middle eastern music). the most interesting thing personally is that there are many 'alternate' notes within an interval. there's a note approximating 7/6 and one approximating 6/5 (both minor thirds), so there's a lot of nuance in terms of what harmony you choose.

it would not work to play with fixed 12et instruments like guitar and piano. it has been shown to be possible to play with the violin-family and woodwinds.

it would also be possible to 'convert' an existing piece to 31et, but it would take a lot of work. 31et can reproduce meantone almost exactly, so it would be feasible to play some baroque music in it's intended tuning.
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Old 12-22-2009, 02:26 PM
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I saw a picture of a guy with a warwick with 30 some frets in bassplayer long ago. They were talking about some weird tuning. I wondered then and I wonder now. Could you explain more? It seems interesting.
that was probably hansford rowe and this bass:
http://www.freenotemusic.com/site/im...9-ToneBass.jpg
which is really a whole different animal. that would be called a 'just intonation' tuning, based on intervals within the harmonic series. on string instruments it usually yields those incomplete frets, since the step sizes of the scale are inherently unequal in size. just intonation scales are also never cyclical, in other words they can't be represented by a closed 'circle of fifths' the way 12et or 31et can. read up on 'just intonation' or send me a PM, it's too big to be outlined here.
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