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Old 06-02-2006, 06:15 PM
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I recently built a couple of Alder core bodies, one of which had a few strange 'figurings' running contrary to the wood grain. I checked these closely, and there was no sign that this was any kinf of crack, just some feature I've seen a couple of times in Alder. I even have a bass body from a large, reputable company that exhibits the same kind of figuring.

In this builders body, you can see the strange figuring circled in red, and the actual wood grain noted with green lines



the reason I am writing this is that one of these lines actually opened up while at the finishing shop in Dallas. supposedly it is about .002" wide and about .125" deep at the worst location. this is my first run in with one of these lines opening, so I'm not sure exactly what to do.

* fill the slight opening with Titebond, sand, and finish as usual
* scrap the body
* something else I haven't thought of

I will say that the finished body in the above image has never showed any sign of distress or movement, so I tend to believe that this will remain stable once a finish is applied.

any thoughts/suggestions from your past experiences would be greatly apreciated. I need to provide my answer to the shop on Mon morning.

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Old 06-02-2006, 06:37 PM
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Yep, I've seen it too. But I've never had one open up.

I've also heard that alder checks really easily after its been planed down from rough, so I've always tried to get it to the finishing stage as quickly as possible.

If its only 0.002 wide I'd try CA, which will soak into the wood a bit and (hopefully) keep it from going any further.
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It's not checking. I've seen this in every single piece of alder I've worked with. But don't ask me where it comes from. It's definetely not anything to worry about structurally.
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Old 06-03-2006, 11:44 PM
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wood rays

Alder is unique in that it has TWO sets of rays. Rays are radial passages that transmit sap from bark to pith (directionally) in hardwoods. Some species have prominent rays arranged in patterns like radial sawn oak, American sycamore or lacewood that are termed "ray fleck figure". Alder has a very fine ray that needs a microscope to see, but also a very large ray, random and erratic...that's what you guys are seeing. It's perfectly harmless and natural to the species.

Anyone putting out information that alder will surface check quick and that finishing needs to be done quickly to prevent it could not be more wrong. It's unfortunate that these types of incorrect statements get started..like wild fires sometimes..rant over...
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Old 06-04-2006, 06:55 AM
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Anyone putting out information that alder will surface check quick and that finishing needs to be done quickly to prevent it could not be more wrong. It's unfortunate that these types of incorrect statements get started..like wild fires sometimes..rant over...
Thanks Larry, its a relief to hear that from A Guy Who Should Know. Especially as it often seems to take me a year to finish any given project...including a coco-alder contraption sitting (unfinished....) in my basement.
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Alder has a very fine ray that needs a microscope to see, but also a very large ray, random and erratic...that's what you guys are seeing. It's perfectly harmless and natural to the species.
Very interesting, Larry. Thanks for the info. Are there any other species that sometimes exhibit these random/erratic rays?
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Old 06-04-2006, 09:24 AM
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Very interesting, Larry. Thanks for the info. Are there any other species that sometimes exhibit these random/erratic rays?
American beech comes to mind. Looks like high grade alder until you pick it up.
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Old 06-04-2006, 10:03 AM
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Thanks for another nugget of woodworking wisdom Larry!

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Old 06-04-2006, 12:31 PM
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If you get very nicely quater sawn spruce it gets lovely rays, in a great patten
English sycamore gets rays as does beach but small
English quater sawn oak is famous for it's very large rays and wild grain patten
london plane got nice rays
most (if not all) only show when the wood is quater sawn.
sorry I only realy know english woods
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