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02-28-2009, 09:46 PM
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Hi Fellas!
I need a proffessional advise here. I am thinking of buying a bass. It is a neck through body bass. The bass wing part has slightly separated from the the neck part. The seperation stars at the bottom near the strap button. The owner have apllied some glue/epoxy to stop the separation.
So,does this means"disaster"? or ,the bass might 'flip' cause the 'holding' power of the neck have decreased? or actually the body wings are independent to the neck through part?
Any advise/experience are very much welcomed.
Thank you very much.
regards
robert |
02-28-2009, 10:08 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canadia | | | Pictures will help a diagnosis, but in many cases if the wings are simply separating from the neck due to trauma or a design flaw, it will not be a "disaster" but can likely be repaired. Someone here will be able to provide better advice when we can see what the problem is... |
02-28-2009, 10:10 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Madison, WI | | | I would personally look at buying a different bass. That would be a deal breaker for me, unless he's offering it DIRT cheap. |
02-28-2009, 10:46 PM
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Luthier of Michael Wayne Instruments, Shop Manager ChromeDomeMusic | | Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cincinnati OH | | | Pics would be a great help. Is this a Ric?
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02-28-2009, 10:53 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: (M)a$$hole. | | | Suresh, I've heard of this happening on alot of Warwicks and the like when the wood is not properly and thoroughly prepped before joining...and even if it were, delaminations can still happen. It won't adversely effect the neck stability if it isn't delaminating along the neck shaft, but the tension could certainly be aiding in the progression of the joint failure.
I would have the issue addressed by a competent luthier before you buy the bass, or search for another bass altogether...because whatever glue that was introduced later will have to be completely removed before a proper repair could be attempted, and that is a pain in the ass, especially if the deal isn't too great to begin with.
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03-01-2009, 12:25 PM
| | | | Thanks for the inputs guys.
It's a Tobias Signature. Asking price is $2500.
It seems that separation have happened on both wings.
The owner says that epoxy has been injected to stabilise.
But I m really blind about these things
robert
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03-01-2009, 12:39 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canadia | | | Did the owner tell you how the separation happened? Seems unlikely it would be a flaw in the craftsmanship, I'd guess its due to trauma.
For what its worth, I'd pass on it. You can get a lot of beautiful, flawless bass for $2500.... |
03-01-2009, 01:10 PM
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Luthier of Michael Wayne Instruments, Shop Manager ChromeDomeMusic | | Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Cincinnati OH | | | A Toby that has major repair for $2500? It must be at a GC.
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03-01-2009, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Suresh Thanks for the inputs guys.
It's a Tobias Signature. Asking price is $2500.
It seems that separation have happened on both wings.
The owner says that epoxy has been injected to stabilise.
But I m really blind about these things
robert | Suresh, I would not even consider it for $500. Bad glue was used, or they did not leave enough time for the glue to set, meaning it's likely to happen somewhere else.
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03-02-2009, 09:53 AM
| | | | My guess is ,it suffered from trauma and/or temperature instability for a long time,and the wood shrinks. Well.just my guess.I dont know if such thing really affects the laminates.
Also,its a Gibson Toby.So I think Ill pass.
I really thank you guys for the advises.!
Regards to all ofyou.
Robert
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03-02-2009, 10:13 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Mesa, Arizona | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Suresh My guess is ,it suffered from trauma and/or temperature instability for a long time,and the wood shrinks. Well.just my guess.I dont know if such thing really affects the laminates.
Also,its a Gibson Toby.So I think Ill pass.
I really thank you guys for the advises.!
Regards to all ofyou.
Robert | Suresh, wood glued properly has to resist trauma. And temperature instability as well.
I have found a 19th century violin in a pile of family heirloom (in-law side) stored in my garage. I live in Arizona. Temperatures vary between 20F and 120F. The violin is still in great shape, although the nut and tailpiece came off.
Oh and it's a Stradivarius, of course. So says the label inside 
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