Go Back   TalkBass Forums > Bass Guitar Forums > Bass Guitar Forums > Luthier's Corner
Register Rules/FAQ/CUP Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Luthier's Corner Discussion on instrument building, repair, and materials.


Supporting Membership
Thank You

Latest Supporting Member
Donate to Upgrade Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 11-09-2008, 04:44 PM
Rickett Customs's Avatar
quid verum atque decens

Builder: Rickett Customs
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Southern Maryland
Send a message via AIM to Rickett Customs
GOLD Supporting Member
First build: 5 string EUB

Sign in to disble this ad
Hello,
This will be my actual first wood build. It's loosely based on the NS bass/chello. Don't have the plans I drew up (they're at work).
Do have some of the first pics.
This will be more of an experience build than a "masterful" work of art, plus compared to some that I've seen here, will be a little slower on the build progress . Specs:

34" scale 5 string (left handed).
Poplar/ other wood (might be teak,or cherry) neck through.
Most likely a poplar body.
red oak bridge w/movable saddles.
fingerboard TBD.

Pics so far:

Bridge (A bit thick right now, easier to manage)




Neck (unassembled)

__________________
/Jason

Headless, Fretless 5 build

Spector Tonedump
RickettNation®
Bassist: Kirk McEwen Band, Backstage Pass
Spector club #66 (ToneDump Founder)
Mo' Bass #014 **RIP Maddrackkett**

Last edited by Rickett Customs : 11-09-2008 at 06:22 PM.
  #2  
Old 11-09-2008, 09:01 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Spokane, WA
Send a message via MSN to BenitoBassolini
I'm excited to see this build progress. I had been planning on building a similar project somewhere down the line because I've always loved the tone and feel of upright but not so much the price.

Subscribed!
  #3  
Old 11-10-2008, 06:42 AM
Rickett Customs's Avatar
quid verum atque decens

Builder: Rickett Customs
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Southern Maryland
Send a message via AIM to Rickett Customs
GOLD Supporting Member
Concept drawings

I did the the concept form in "paint". I ended up making the test pieces out of Pine, so I could get the realistic measurements (Note, these are all subject to change):

This is the original drawing I started with:




Here's a little more detail on the bridge (minus the measurements). I'll end up using a multiple input piezo pre (probably Ghost).



Headstock (minus the measurements). Along with being at an angle, it will also be tapered and the face will be radiused.
__________________
/Jason

Headless, Fretless 5 build

Spector Tonedump
RickettNation®
Bassist: Kirk McEwen Band, Backstage Pass
Spector club #66 (ToneDump Founder)
Mo' Bass #014 **RIP Maddrackkett**

Last edited by Rickett Customs : 11-10-2008 at 07:08 AM.
  #4  
Old 11-10-2008, 02:07 PM
SDB Guitars's Avatar
Registered User

Shawn Ball - Owner, SDB Guitars
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Coeur d'Alene, ID
Supporting Member
Subscribed!
__________________
SDB Guitars - Turning exotic woods into sawdust and firewood scraps since 2002...
  #5  
Old 11-10-2008, 02:16 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Gladstone, QLD, Australia
I like the design except for one major thing...

there's not enough radius in the fingerboard for an upright...(you can't bow)...

the bridge design only needs to be slightly modified to accommodate a more radiuses board...(inner saddle blocks protrude more)...

otherwise, a "stand up" design
__________________
"http://www.arguebass.com"
  #6  
Old 11-10-2008, 05:04 PM
Rickett Customs's Avatar
quid verum atque decens

Builder: Rickett Customs
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Southern Maryland
Send a message via AIM to Rickett Customs
GOLD Supporting Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by PilbaraBass View Post
I like the design except for one major thing...

there's not enough radius in the fingerboard for an upright...(you can't bow)...

the bridge design only needs to be slightly modified to accommodate a more radiuses board...(inner saddle blocks protrude more)...

otherwise, a "stand up" design
Yeah, the drawings are rough, for sure. The bridge will be set to radius with the fingerboard, just not taking the saddles down yet until it's time, I'm thinking perhaps a 10"-12" radius.
I read somewhere that the NS fingerboard is 2"? Seems like alot of curve there. I'm more pizz besides.

Worked on the bridge some more, now that the glue has cured,
used a Dremel with what I call a "gear" bit ("router" bit that comes with a dremel):







Saddles are all the same height (for now).
__________________
/Jason

Headless, Fretless 5 build

Spector Tonedump
RickettNation®
Bassist: Kirk McEwen Band, Backstage Pass
Spector club #66 (ToneDump Founder)
Mo' Bass #014 **RIP Maddrackkett**
  #7  
Old 11-10-2008, 05:37 PM
SDB Guitars's Avatar
Registered User

Shawn Ball - Owner, SDB Guitars
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Coeur d'Alene, ID
Supporting Member
Jason -

I believe standard URB fingerboard radius is 6". For a project like this, I would probably just buy a ready-made URB fingerboard.
__________________
SDB Guitars - Turning exotic woods into sawdust and firewood scraps since 2002...
  #8  
Old 11-10-2008, 05:42 PM
Rickett Customs's Avatar
quid verum atque decens

Builder: Rickett Customs
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Southern Maryland
Send a message via AIM to Rickett Customs
GOLD Supporting Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by SDB Guitars View Post
Jason -

I believe standard URB fingerboard radius is 6". For a project like this, I would probably just buy a ready-made URB fingerboard.
That may be the deal

Only downside is, not getting the radius experience

But yeah, i'm gonna buy this time.



Thanks
__________________
/Jason

Headless, Fretless 5 build

Spector Tonedump
RickettNation®
Bassist: Kirk McEwen Band, Backstage Pass
Spector club #66 (ToneDump Founder)
Mo' Bass #014 **RIP Maddrackkett**

Last edited by Rickett Customs : 11-10-2008 at 05:44 PM.
  #9  
Old 11-10-2008, 07:34 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Gladstone, QLD, Australia
that's a relief...

you may not be an arco kinda guy, but

1) don't ever say "never"
2) getting used to a standard UB board will help immensely if you ever decide to get another EUB or an AUB.

what's the scale? 34" ...hmmm...you sure you don't wanna go a "little" bit bigger
__________________
"http://www.arguebass.com"
  #10  
Old 11-10-2008, 08:08 PM
SDB Guitars's Avatar
Registered User

Shawn Ball - Owner, SDB Guitars
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Coeur d'Alene, ID
Supporting Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by PilbaraBass View Post
what's the scale? 34" ...hmmm...you sure you don't wanna go a "little" bit bigger
It *does* seem to fall significantly between cello (~27" scale) and URB (~42" scale), 34.5 would be smack in the middle of those...

What would that be... a basso-cello?
__________________
SDB Guitars - Turning exotic woods into sawdust and firewood scraps since 2002...
  #11  
Old 11-10-2008, 09:35 PM
Rickett Customs's Avatar
quid verum atque decens

Builder: Rickett Customs
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Southern Maryland
Send a message via AIM to Rickett Customs
GOLD Supporting Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by SDB Guitars View Post
It *does* seem to fall significantly between cello (~27" scale) and URB (~42" scale), 34.5 would be smack in the middle of those...

What would that be... a basso-cello?
Actually a bello ,

It was just "in the cards" I originally wanted to do 35, but I had 2-8' lengths of poplar.........

I wanted to have at least a 7" headstock, just to have a smidgen of excess and 3" between the string ferrules to the bridge.
44" is what i came up with, so I'd have 2 remaining pieces that were 7", which put me at 34". I do have another piece of 2x2 (18" long) poplar, that i'll add to the headstock if I need it wider.

If I were to use the teak to add to the neck lams............
All the pieces of teak are under 44" , now the question:
I was going to try "butt" jointing the teak to make the pieces 44", do any of you think this will work?

It seems like it would work to me, at least once it's completely glued together, and then bonded with the poplar.
__________________
/Jason

Headless, Fretless 5 build

Spector Tonedump
RickettNation®
Bassist: Kirk McEwen Band, Backstage Pass
Spector club #66 (ToneDump Founder)
Mo' Bass #014 **RIP Maddrackkett**
  #12  
Old 11-10-2008, 09:40 PM
Rickett Customs's Avatar
quid verum atque decens

Builder: Rickett Customs
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Southern Maryland
Send a message via AIM to Rickett Customs
GOLD Supporting Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by PilbaraBass View Post
that's a relief...

you may not be an arco kinda guy, but

1) don't ever say "never"
2) getting used to a standard UB board will help immensely if you ever decide to get another EUB or an AUB.

what's the scale? 34" ...hmmm...you sure you don't wanna go a "little" bit bigger
Never have, never will

Once upon a time, I did play DB in high school (mostly pizz and tiny bit arc), but I know where you're coming from though.

thanks
__________________
/Jason

Headless, Fretless 5 build

Spector Tonedump
RickettNation®
Bassist: Kirk McEwen Band, Backstage Pass
Spector club #66 (ToneDump Founder)
Mo' Bass #014 **RIP Maddrackkett**
  #13  
Old 11-11-2008, 11:20 AM
Rickett Customs's Avatar
quid verum atque decens

Builder: Rickett Customs
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Southern Maryland
Send a message via AIM to Rickett Customs
GOLD Supporting Member
Ok, i've got the neck lams glued together today.

Consists of Poplar/Cherry/Poplar/teak/Poplar/cherry/Poplar

My table saw burned up the edge of the cherry,no matter I still have to plane it anyway.



__________________
/Jason

Headless, Fretless 5 build

Spector Tonedump
RickettNation®
Bassist: Kirk McEwen Band, Backstage Pass
Spector club #66 (ToneDump Founder)
Mo' Bass #014 **RIP Maddrackkett**
  #14  
Old 11-11-2008, 04:44 PM
Rickett Customs's Avatar
quid verum atque decens

Builder: Rickett Customs
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Southern Maryland
Send a message via AIM to Rickett Customs
GOLD Supporting Member
Being that this is my first build, i'll share a snippet of the journal
I started when I began this build:

....After un-vising it, I discovered that 44" might be too short, to get a 34" Scale. Did not take into consideration for the size of the bridge to be added in.... Dammit!.............But life goes on, I have what's there. It is possible to do 32"- 33" scale
regardless.
__________________
/Jason

Headless, Fretless 5 build

Spector Tonedump
RickettNation®
Bassist: Kirk McEwen Band, Backstage Pass
Spector club #66 (ToneDump Founder)
Mo' Bass #014 **RIP Maddrackkett**
  #15  
Old 11-11-2008, 04:48 PM
SDB Guitars's Avatar
Registered User

Shawn Ball - Owner, SDB Guitars
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Coeur d'Alene, ID
Supporting Member
Don't shorten the scale - just do it as a glued in neck, as opposed to a neck through.

Seriously.
__________________
SDB Guitars - Turning exotic woods into sawdust and firewood scraps since 2002...
  #16  
Old 11-11-2008, 05:04 PM
Rickett Customs's Avatar
quid verum atque decens

Builder: Rickett Customs
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Southern Maryland
Send a message via AIM to Rickett Customs
GOLD Supporting Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by SDB Guitars View Post
Don't shorten the scale - just do it as a glued in neck, as opposed to a neck through.

Seriously.
I will have to think this one over some. Depending on the height of the bridge piece, I may get away with less than 3", between the string ferrules and the bridge and still keep the 34" scale. I may be able to add another piece of oak to the rear of the bridge and move the bridge more to the back of the body (like an acoustic giutar) and run the ferrules in to the bridge, instead.
__________________
/Jason

Headless, Fretless 5 build

Spector Tonedump
RickettNation®
Bassist: Kirk McEwen Band, Backstage Pass
Spector club #66 (ToneDump Founder)
Mo' Bass #014 **RIP Maddrackkett**

Last edited by Rickett Customs : 11-11-2008 at 05:12 PM.
  #17  
Old 11-11-2008, 06:03 PM
Rickett Customs's Avatar
quid verum atque decens

Builder: Rickett Customs
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Southern Maryland
Send a message via AIM to Rickett Customs
GOLD Supporting Member
Bridge 2.0 may remedy this issue:

__________________
/Jason

Headless, Fretless 5 build

Spector Tonedump
RickettNation®
Bassist: Kirk McEwen Band, Backstage Pass
Spector club #66 (ToneDump Founder)
Mo' Bass #014 **RIP Maddrackkett**
  #18  
Old 11-12-2008, 04:17 PM
Rickett Customs's Avatar
quid verum atque decens

Builder: Rickett Customs
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Southern Maryland
Send a message via AIM to Rickett Customs
GOLD Supporting Member
Got a chance to get the planer out and trued up the lam:




Glued some more meat to the bridge, I think i'm gonna try and go that route of moving the bridge to the back.
__________________
/Jason

Headless, Fretless 5 build

Spector Tonedump
RickettNation®
Bassist: Kirk McEwen Band, Backstage Pass
Spector club #66 (ToneDump Founder)
Mo' Bass #014 **RIP Maddrackkett**
  #19  
Old 11-12-2008, 05:08 PM
Registered User

Builder/owner Redeemer Basses
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Waco Tx
Poplar?? Oak?? Cherry?? Are you serious!? You'll never get any good "tone" from those woods..........























JUST KIDDING! Looks like a fun project, looking forward to seeing more!
__________________
Facebook, Redeemer Basses
  #20  
Old 11-12-2008, 05:44 PM
Rickett Customs's Avatar
quid verum atque decens

Builder: Rickett Customs
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Southern Maryland
Send a message via AIM to Rickett Customs
GOLD Supporting Member
Well, scotty
There will be plenty of twists and turns on this project, that's for sure.

Oh you forgot, that tiny piece of teak down the middle
__________________
/Jason

Headless, Fretless 5 build

Spector Tonedump
RickettNation®
Bassist: Kirk McEwen Band, Backstage Pass
Spector club #66 (ToneDump Founder)
Mo' Bass #014 **RIP Maddrackkett**
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Follow TalkBass on Twitter   Visit TalkBass on Facebook  

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:04 PM.




Copyright ©2011 Talk Music Group Inc. All right reserved.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.12
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.