Headstock design - 2x2 vs 4 inline

[Slowgypsy]

I'm thinking about building a 4-string for my personal use. I'll make most of it out of off the shelf parts mainly from either Warmoth or USACG.

My question is this... when comparing a 4-in-a-row style vs a 2x2 style... does either design have a distinct advantage? The only thing I can think of is the angled 2x2 design doesn't require a string retainer, although I'm not sure why that would be an advantage. From a comfort standpoint, either design is good for me. Does it all come down to visual preference or is there something else to consider?

Anyone care to weigh in on this?

[Mutant Corn]

A 2x2 moves your center of gravity ever-so-slightly towards the other end, and allows for a smaller headstock.

[ehque]

The 2x2 design saves a small chunk of wood.

The small chunk of wood at the end of a long lever needs a large chunk of wood at the other end to balance.

Remove both the small chunk and large chunk, and you have a lighter bass.

Oh yeah, i think not having a string retainer also increases tuning accuracy and improves string life.

[renniw]

Your bass will be a little bit shorter wich 'may' improve portability (assuming your case is shorter...)

[Ach]

absolutelly off-topic:
8 string octave bass will look cool in 4Bass+4Treble

[ehque]

Originally Posted by Ach

absolutelly off-topic:
8 string octave bass will look cool in 4Bass+4Treble

If strung normally (octave strings next to each other), stringing your headstock 4bass+4treble will cause all your strings to bind against each other, making tuning impossible. The stress on your nut will also be one of a kind.

[Stone Age]

Originally Posted by ehque

If strung normally (octave strings next to each other), stringing your headstock 4bass+4treble will cause all your strings to bind against each other, making tuning impossible. The stress on your nut will also be one of a kind.

Really??



Ctbass&birdsong's image btw.

[FunkyFlashFive]

That looks like they are alternating bass treble and i think ehque thought you meant all four bass strings on one side and all 4 treble on the other like so...
B T
B T
B T
B T

[Bassguitarbubba]

Originally Posted by FunkyFlashFive

That looks like they are alternating bass treble and i think ehque thought you meant all four bass strings on one side and all 4 treble on the other like so...
B T
B T
B T
B T

Yeah...That's what I thought too. Putting all four bass strings on one side of the headstock and all four treble on the other side. I, too, imagined a horendous knot of strings just beyond the nut.

[Stone Age]

Well that would just be silly. They're just talking about the bass side vs treble side of the headstock, which is how L and R tuners are designated...I hope.

[therex]

2x2 makes a better angle for the headstock thus eliminating the need of a strin retainer
but 4 in a row looks better IMO

[atheos]

I prefer 4 in a row but it really has a lot to do with body design too. If you have nearly symmetric body (like SG or double cut LP) it's better to have symmetric design in headstock too. Any 5 string setup also looks a lot better with 3+2 setup instead of 4+1 which looks kind of silly in my opinion.

[pilotjones]

Some people are confusing things a bit. They are equating 4-inline with flat headstock and string retainer, and 2+2 with tilt-back headstock. While these generally go together this way, it is not a rule. I've seen many tilt-back (scarfed) 4-inlines. Flat 2+2s I don't recall, but anything's possible.

[Slowgypsy]

Originally Posted by pilotjones

Some people are confusing things a bit. They are equating 4-inline with flat headstock and string retainer, and 2+2 with tilt-back headstock. While these generally go together this way, it is not a rule. I've seen many tilt-back (scarfed) 4-inlines. Flat 2+2s I don't recall, but anything's possible.

This is all true, however... I was thinking about putting together a bass using parts from either Warmoth, USACG, etc... and all these places do think of 4-inline with flat headstock and string retainer and 2+2 with a tilt-back headstock. Doesn't have to be this way, but those are without doubt the two different generic designs.

So after reading the above posts it would seem that the only tangible difference between the two different headstock designs would be that the 2+2 perhaps allows for a bass with slightly less weight.

I suppose I started this thread because as I also play acoustic guitar, and instrument design and choice of wood is everything for that instrument... and the unquestioned headstock standard is 3+3 (as opposed to the Fender electric 6-inline) I thought I'd ask.

As best I can tell, the 4-inline for a bass was started because Fender started it that way and it was for a variety of reasons simply easier and less expensive to manufacturer and those considerations were very important to Fender.

Although I think for my bass I'm strongly leaning towards 2+2 for no other reason than I have more of an emotional attachment towards that layout.

[asad137]

Originally Posted by pilotjones

Flat 2+2s I don't recall, but anything's possible.

The older Yamaha BB-series 4-strings had flat 2+2 headstocks. My BBN5-II of that era is a flat 3+2.

Asad

[pilotjones]

Originally Posted by asad137

The older Yamaha BB-series 4-strings had flat 2+2 headstocks. My BBN5-II of that era is a flat 3+2.

Asad

Cool. Now all we need is a tilt-forward headstock!

[lightbulbjim]

Originally Posted by pilotjones

Cool. Now all we need is a tilt-forward headstock!

Maybe the whole headstock should pivot. You could push it forward to set all the strings into a drop tuning

[seanm]

FWIW, I find 4 inline slightly easier to tune. You just move your hand up the line, you don't have to switch to the other side.

And 2+2 looks much better on a semi-hollow - it goes with the whole acoustic guitar vibe.

[samick]

2x2 (imo) only fits on a Gibson/Epi instrument.
4 inline makes it look like a Fender.
Maybe you could do a 3x1? 3 on left, 1 on the right...
just a thought...

[asad137]

Originally Posted by samick

2x2 (imo) only fits on a Gibson/Epi instrument.

I disagree -- It doesn't have to be a squarish "traditional" headstock:



Asad