Neck Pocket Area

[HaMMerHeD]

Greetings, LC.

I have a question for you guys. Approximately how much area do you like, or prefer, or design into your bolt-on neck pockets?

I am designing the following bass:



The pocket itself I estimate to be around 8.5 square inches (2.8x2.9").

I require unhindered access to the 24th fret, so the lower cutout needs to be deep enough, and I really hate having a great long tongue sticking forward from the pocket. I just think it looks like a hack. I like the curves to flow freely, and extending the neck pocket/heel further up the neck looks, in my opinion, lame.

Do you guys think the pocket is too small? I know I could go the Ibanez route and extend the neck heel further into the body, maybe exposing some neck beam wood...but I don't like that solution either.

[ctmullins]

I tend to think of it more in terms of the axial distance (along the centerline of the instrument) between the pairs of bolts. More distance should provide more torque to counteract string pull. But all I have is this qualitative notion; I don't have any actual numbers to back it up.

Just glancing at your pic, I'd say your pocket is no worse than many off-the-shelf instruments. And the joint can be greatly improved through the use of threaded inserts and machine screws.

[Schlyder]

How about a neck pocket route right to the pickup?

[HaMMerHeD]

Originally Posted by Schlyder

How about a neck pocket route right to the pickup?

Not a fan. I want as much of the top wood to show as possible.

[ibateur]

I prefer a deeper pocket as a shallow one makes me think "unstable"

[octaedro7]

Originally Posted by HaMMerHeD

Not a fan. I want as much of the top wood to show as possible.

Having the neck all the way to the pickup does not necessarily mean not showing all the top wood:



It´s sure more work but it allows to have the same if not more contact area while allowing a better access to the higher frets than the regular pocket.

[HaMMerHeD]

I tend to think of it as a question of clamping surface area and distribution of clamping pressure. To that end, I think I'll add a 5th bolt roughly centered between the others.

Originally Posted by octaedro7

Having the neck all the way to the pickup does not necessarily mean not showing all the top wood:

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It´s sure more work but it allows to have the same if not more contact area while allowing a better access to the higher frets than the regular pocket.

With my skills, it does.

[octaedro7]

Originally Posted by HaMMerHeD

With my skills, it does.

I´ve seen your skills, what are you talking about?

[iamlowsound]

Originally Posted by ctmullins

I tend to think of it more in terms of the axial distance (along the centerline of the instrument) between the pairs of bolts. More distance should provide more torque to counteract string pull. But all I have is this qualitative notion; I don't have any actual numbers to back it up.

Just glancing at your pic, I'd say your pocket is no worse than many off-the-shelf instruments. And the joint can be greatly improved through the use of threaded inserts and machine screws.

That would be moment, not torque. Even though they are calculated the same way, they are different. Torque is the rate of change of angular momentum, while a moment is the tendency of a force to rotate an object about an axis, but not change the angular momentum. Since you don't want the angular momentum to change (you want it to remain zero), it is a moment.

lowsound

Edit: Also, you could make a neck pocket with only one screw and it would bever stable, as long as you had a few inches toward the bridge fron where the screw is. In your neck pocket design, the two screws closest to the bridge aren't doing much to resist bending, it is the wood of the neck being pushed against the wood of the body from the tension of the strings. So, in the case of a neck, the tension of the strings helps to resist the tension of the strings. If anyone is interested, I can do the calculations and post them up.