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Old 10-01-2006, 01:06 PM
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I've never gotten involved before in a "this tone is made by these materials" discussion, and I don't intend to do so now. And Giel, I really like the basses you've built. But there are two things I disagree with here:
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Carbon/graphite rods in neck will not give you a better tone..
Using a nice old piece of wood will, because there isn't so much tension in the wood you won't need to use graphite rods, and becuase of this, there is more wood in the neck..
More wood = more tone..
Ever heard a 1 piece wengé neck?
First, using composite reinforcements will necessarily change the tone, by changing the stiffness and therefore the mechanical response to vibration of the strings. Better or worse is and individual opinion.

Second, as far as "more tone," no such thing.Tone is qualitative, not quantitative; you can't have more of it, just the same or varing types of different.
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Second, as far as "more tone," no such thing.Tone is qualitative, not quantitative; you can't have more of it, just the same or varing types of different.
Well said!
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Second, as far as "more tone," no such thing.Tone is qualitative, not quantitative; you can't have more of it, just the same or varing types of different.
I disagree. I'm working on an instrument right now that is designed to have tone = 7.
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I disagree. I'm working on an instrument right now that is designed to have tone = 7.
Possible, but not likely. The best you can shoot for is a tone of 6.97 +/- .03 with a 98% confidence interval.
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reviving an old thread with YET MORE evidence that oak is a perfectly fine wood for building guitars:

This was made by Aria Guitars.
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Carbon/graphite rods in neck will not give you a better tone..
They will indeed, because when the neck flexes, it absorbs energy from the strings. This has been proven time and time again. They totally eliminate dead spots too.

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Using a nice old piece of wood will, because there isn't so much tension in the wood you won't need to use graphite rods, and becuase of this, there is more wood in the neck..
It's got nothing to do with more wood in the neck... you can have as much wood as you wish, but if it's flexible, you will lose high end and sustain. Wood doesn't have top be old, just properly dried. More mass does the same thing as stiffer... the resonant frequency of the neck will rise, and it will absorb less energy from the strings. This is the same reason a thick heavy body on a Les Paul gives such smooth sustain, and why Alembic uses a heavy brass block under the bridge.

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More wood = more tone..
Nonsense. More mass=different tone than less mass. And which tone are you referring too? Highs? Lows? Mids?

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Ever heard a 1 piece wengé neck?
Yeah in most Warwick basses. I dislike wenge with a passion. But the reason it sounds like it does is it's a stiff and heavy wood. Any stiff heavy wood will do. A purpleheart or ebony neck will do the same thing. You want a big heavy baseball bat for a neck? Be my guest!

Now you can get the same sound using a lighter weight wood, such as limba or even poplar, by adding carbon graphite stiffeners. Now you will get the same great response, and a sweeter tone than from wenge.

And in general 1 piece necks are less stable and not as stiff as laminated necks.

I use 7 piece maple/purpleheart necks with two truss rods and carbon/graphite reinforcement, and phenolic fingerboards. I get a great tone from my basses.
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What about Quartersawn Oak?

I have a thick piece of well aged (over 5 years) air dried quartersawn oak big enough to make a 2 piece body that came as a surprize with a bundle of narrower oak lumber. Looking at it I can't help but think it would make an interesting looking striped bass body. Do you think it would sound as good as it would look?
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