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11-14-2006, 09:39 AM
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I live not far from a metal recycling center, and I believe that they sell scrap, in addition to buying it. The question then would be whether or not I could find a small piece. Most of the scrap they take in is huge because of all the local industry. |
11-15-2006, 10:25 AM
|  | Supporting Member | | Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houghton, MI | | | If bands can string up and tun their guitars to F#, ala Meshuggah, then I think you could get away with using some quality guitar tuners for this project. Just make sure you only get a couple windings around the shaft. Also, you may want to consider some graphite coated, or solid graphite, bridge saddles if your going to be using a standard bridge and the tuners behind that.
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11-15-2006, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by TheEmptyCell If bands can string up and tun their guitars to F#, ala Meshuggah, then I think you could get away with using some quality guitar tuners for this project. | I wouldn't make this assumption. Guitar strings tune up in the 15-20 lb. range, and raising the pitch a whole step increases this by about 5 lb. Bass strings in the 35-40 lb. range.
There's a reason they're the size they are.
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11-15-2006, 05:50 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: Gardner, Massachusetts | | check out this post. seems like theyd work pretty good. http://projectguitar.ibforums.com/in...howtopic=25580
Edit: ^^ try that one?
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11-15-2006, 07:30 PM
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11-15-2006, 10:37 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Tuscumbia, AL 35674 | | | Yeah, I've seen that guy's thread before. My problem is that I don't have any tools for shaping metal, welding, etc. |
11-17-2006, 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Ian Pirro | Did you know that site is categorised as Malicious Web Sites? At least by the proxy firewall at my job...   
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11-17-2006, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by The Initial Post in the Thread on the "Malicious Web Site" Blocked by Suburban's Proxy Firewall Ive been designing and building my own headless tuner setup. Now I know this has been done before and Im not claiming to be a pioneer.  But I was severly distressed on my last bass project which i wanted to be headless but couldnt do because of the price of the tuners. Ive researched all of the other tuners and came up with something that uses a little bit of eachs design but beefed up. Now this is by no means complete and has not even been tested yet. the one in the pics is a prototype to test out. I hope to have all the details worked out by next week. I should have one mounted to tell how well they tune and what steps need to be done to make them better. Im thinking of making the tuner and bridge one piece and a locking device that will lock the string holder in place when the desired tune is achieved. Also this design will use regular strings not double ball (more later). The best part is these things can be made for about $1.50 in parts each.  Tell me what you guys think.  Broken down view another view (crummy pic) | I wish there were some materials specs/dimensions, but this gives a general idea. Man, I wish I didn't give my ARC welder away. Apartment life...  |
11-17-2006, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by teej I wish there were some materials specs/dimensions, but this gives a general idea. Man, I wish I didn't give my ARC welder away. Apartment life... | Wow what a surprise! Thats my work a couple post above, That was a prototype heres the finished product for this particular bass. Pm me for details on how I built them. 
Im working on a tuner and bridge in one based off that design. That way the tuners/bridge can be used for many different applications.
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11-17-2006, 01:03 PM
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11-17-2006, 09:22 PM
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scottyd,
please share with us all the details of your tuners. I am shure others besides myself would like to know. PM's dont share with the community here
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11-18-2006, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiny Tim scottyd,
please share with us all the details of your tuners. I am shure others besides myself would like to know. PM's dont share with the community here
Thank You! Tim |
Good point. Theres no real easy explaination so I put something together to share with everyone. |
11-18-2006, 03:28 PM
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11-18-2006, 03:35 PM
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11-18-2006, 04:57 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Tuscumbia, AL 35674 | | | Wonderful post! Thanks for the photos - It looks like I'm off to Lowe's first thing tomorrow morning. Thought: Instead of making the knob-tuner contact point as small as possible, perhaps putting a nylon spacer in between those two components would work just as well? |
11-18-2006, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by teej Wonderful post! Thanks for the photos - It looks like I'm off to Lowe's first thing tomorrow morning. Thought: Instead of making the knob-tuner contact point as small as possible, perhaps putting a nylon spacer in between those two components would work just as well? | Probably so, or even doing both.... Got to keep in mind that the nylon will wear out eventually, I actually looked into that but never tried it. You can also go about making the contact point smaller by just rounding the bottom of the knobs off somewhat, which will give a smoother over all look. |
11-18-2006, 06:35 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ennui | | | +1 on the thank-yous. I've saved all of the images to my hard drive, so I can print the instructions out. I think they will be extremely helpful in devising the headless bass trem.
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11-18-2006, 07:36 PM
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11-18-2006, 09:04 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sacramento, CA | | | I have been trying to design headless tuners for my project bass for a few months now and I have gone through about 3 different design prototypes and think I have finally designed one that will do what I want it to do.
My goal was to have a bass that didn't look like it had tuners at all -really clean looking. I didn't want to take a chunk out of the body, etc. These will need an allen key for tuning (which philisophically I don't like) but its all give and take.
I installed this on a board to see how it works and it worked very well. I also found that instead of using an allen key, I can turn the body itself to tune it if I want. This does twist the string, so I don't think I will actually use it that way. On the bass I will install a flat piece of brass under the tuner body to keep it from rolling when I am tuning it with the key.
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