Piezo pickup and preamp
Finally finished body parts for a fretless bass.need to put it together and then build the neck.
Just wondering if anyone can recommend a good value piezo pickup and preamp before I put it together?
The bass is somewhere between a normal acoustic bass and a Cello in size and will have flat wounds on it .
I want it to have good graphic play and good sound quality as the materials I've sourced and spent over 60 hrs shaping have not been cheap. (Would be a shame to ruin it with a piece of crap)
But at same time I don't want to spend money just because it has a brand name. So the cheapest decent one I can get ideally.
Many thanks in advance.
Many thanks in advance.
It's my first build. (Its my first ever bit of carpentry full stop which i think excuses the messy parts in need of a tidy up and the split I had :( ....)
But I know nothing about piezo full stop.
I know some of my instruments have them but don't know any more than that.
You want this to be a under the bridge type of piezo?
For middle of the road decent quality and price you should look into the Fishman range. They have decent under the bridge piezo's that can be cut to size and the perform ok for bass and have matching pre's for acoustic instruments.
You might consider an outboard pre, because that will improve your options for bass. A pre with an adjustable high pass filter is a must imho. Have a look in the DB side of this forum. That might be helpfull.
Besides the standard acoustic guitar/bass options you might also get creative in using db piezo's. What type of bridge are you going to use?
Not even sure whether to go for a maple neck or something warmer.
Not sure on fish man prices in states but I've been told that they are a lot more expensive than competitors of equal quality . Unfortunately I've not been given any names of these competitors .
I have a Fishman piezo meant for under the bridge on a acoustic guitar that works fine for bass and did cost me about 60€ several years ago. Not very expensive imho. I cant tell you much about other cheaper options
If you want cello or upright like sound you might want to look into piezo's for DB and design a bridge around them. A Realist would be a good choice, and easy to put under a bridge. The prices will be lots higher though. There are also several threads on making your own piezo with a radioshack buzzer. The results are supposed to be pretty good.
Thank you for advice. £60 would be ok. I inquired into some fish man though was getting around the £150/200 quote from shops. Obviously eBay and the likes will have cheaper prices .
that is beautiful work especially for a nooby - congrats
I've been thinking about a very similar design- it looks like you'll be using a classical style dovetail neck joint???
seriously you should look into http://www.gollihur.com/ and the DB side will have better info
I would probably try a David Gage Realist of one style or another -good rep for the last 15 yrs or more = $275 I think
if you're doing an acoustic guitar style of bridge I'd look at K and K's acoustic bass guitar model that attaches under the bridge inside the instrument. I've A/B'd one of their acoustic guitar models on a Martin HD-28 that had a very expensive one (can't remember the model) and it held its own beautifully.
Last I saw Gollihur (see the link in the above post) carried it and it wasn't expensive.
Another but more expensive option is the D-Tar Timberline system used on the Turner Renaissance basses. I have one and it's a fantastic sounding pickup. Fits directly under the saddle. I normally don't care for the sound of those but in this case it works great.
+1 on going with an out board preamp, more options.
+1 on the Realist pickups if you're doing a more traditional upright bass/cello style bridge.
Nice work on that bass , btw :cool:
Yes I've looked up a few methods and the dovetail seems to be the most logical secure approach for me.
It's been a great learning curve. Starting so cautiously that the mould took as long as any part and now I'm getting used to tools flying through a lot faster.
Ill have a look £275 is a lot more than I was hoping to spend. All depends how well the bass comes out. If it sound great then I'd regret putting anything cheap into it but it sound like a real nasty bass when I'm done lol.
Dhsierra1 many thanks too. And everyone else. Some food for thought which is far more than I had three days ago :)
Congratulations on the start of an excellent first instrument! It looks like it will be a (more or less) flat top (like a typical acoustic guitar), not an archtop (like a cello or jazz guitar). Is that right?
It is important to establish which one of those types it is, because the distribution of forces from the pull of the strings is totally different on instruments of the two designs, and the bracing and structure must be designed to accommodate those forces in a safe and musically pleasing way.
Hi Everybody else,
Assuming that it is a flat top, can someone with more experience give Bezbass feedback on the bracing for his top? Please?
The torsional forces on the top of an flat top acoustic bass guitar can be pretty high, as there is a fair amount of tension on typical bass strings.
I would sure hate to see such a great first effort distort under tension.
I never made an acoustic bass guitar, but the few I have examined closely have had pretty thick tops, plate reinforcements around the bridge and sound hole area, and plenty of bracing. Yes, that does limit the ABG's acoustic volume potential, but at least the instrument has a chance to survive. I have also seen one that that was "bellying" (failing).
Maybe someone with more experience can comment on the bracing?
As for pickups, Bezbass, considering all the hours you are putting into the instrument, I would recommend investing in a proven pickup design.
Look for soundfiles for the pickups you are considering and see what you think. Maybe try to refine your understanding of what range of sounds the major pickup type options can give you.
Figure out what old and newer piezo's sound like (do you like that old-fashioned piezo "quack," for instance? If not, don't use an older design piezo; go for a newer 360 degree piezo design, etc). Here is a piezo thread I found to be helpful: http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f57/pi.../#post10471824
Figure out what mini microphone pickups sound like (and try to decide if the ever-present threat of feedback will be a deal-breaker for you and the kinds of music you will play with the instrument).
Figure out what humbucking magnetic pickups sound like (you could mount a Johnny Smith style jazz guitar-like magnetic on the end of the fingerboard, for instance).
Once you get a sense of your tastes, I would recommend spending the money on a good and proven pickup and preamp system. After all, you are putting so much of yourself into the build; you might as well give yourself the highest possible chance of really liking the sounds it makes.
Many thanks for the advice. Such a great place to get useful tips and suggestions.
It is an archtop. The arch is mild though . I would say the centre is only just over 28mm taller than the edge but I curved all the braces to same arch before glueing them in. Don't know if this affects the type of pickup I would need then?
Maybe nearer to 18mm lol. I don't have any pictures of the angle to show arch and am on holiday . So I'm completely guessing how much of an arch it has!
This gives a rough idea of the arch before shaping the bracing . The bracing is perfectly flat at this point (as you can see there is a gap running under bracing. and the too had been carved with a mild arch and has been pushed slightly more than pictured once I carved the braces.
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