Tree identification.

Linkert · #1 07-17-2007, 10:47 AM

So i was walking my dog in a little forest (50x50 meters) and spotted something that i think is a burl? But what tree? If you have a picture of a cut up "whatever tree it is" burl your more then welcome to show it .
Not very big but it is a burl that i can transform to a wooden tobacco pipe

(if it is a burl that is)

Sorry for the blury pictures (it was taken with my cellphone)

The Burl:

The Leafs:

The Dog: xD

Greenman · #2 07-17-2007, 11:02 AM

Mountain Ash maybe. Nice dog BTW.

Linkert · #3 07-17-2007, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenman

Mountain Ash maybe. Nice dog BTW.

Ok so i googled Mountain Ash but it doesnt seem to be that.
Thanks

Its Rotweiler + Border collie mix xD

dave_p · #4 07-17-2007, 11:26 AM

at a quick glance, some kind of alder(by leaf shape) or black birch?

Linkert · #5 07-17-2007, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by dave_p

at a quick glance, some kind of alder(by leaf shape) or hazel

Well its in europe

If that helps.

dave_p · #6 07-17-2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Linkert

Well its in europe

If that helps.

oh, ok. i am an american arborist. at a glance thats what what comes closest to what i know.

T2W · #7 07-17-2007, 12:16 PM

That definitely is a burl, good thing about this one is you can cut it without harming the tree whatsoever. It would actually do it some good if you take it off, and if its not a burl, its a gall or bunyon (thanks Larry) in which case it should be cut too, Bunyons are full of insects and they end up killing the tree. I cut two bunyons thinking they were Burls... but no, they crack when they dry and are quite useless. As of what kind of tree it is, no idea either. Dont know much about trees in Europe. Anyhow, good luck and dont lose respect for that tree, or any tree for that matter. Peace.

Jazz Ad · #8 07-17-2007, 12:28 PM

Hard to say because we don't see the trunk very well.
It could be alder but it's more likely elm or hornbeam.

dave_p · #9 07-17-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jazz Ad

Hard to say because we don't see the trunk very well.
It could be alder but it's more likely elm or hornbeam.

could be. the elms and hornbeams here have a finer more regular sawtooth on the leaf margin. the bark does have a hornbeam type look to it.

tribal3140 · #10 07-17-2007, 05:15 PM

the last one is dogwood im fairly sure, you can tell by the dogs head shape near the secondary branching.

and it is a burl,
but smoking pipes are traditionally made with briar burl and it has to be flawless.
other burls create toxins, burn and give uneccessary flavor to the puff.

Linkert · #11 07-17-2007, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tribal3140

the last one is dogwood im fairly sure, you can tell by the dogs head shape near the secondary branching.

and it is a burl,
but smoking pipes are traditionally made with briar burl and it has to be flawless.
other burls create toxins, burn and give uneccessary flavor to the puff.

Oh ? Nice info

Linkert · #12 07-17-2007, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by T2W

That definitely is a burl, good thing about this one is you can cut it without harming the tree whatsoever. It would actually do it some good if you take it off, and if its not a burl, its a gall or bunyon (thanks Larry) in which case it should be cut too, Bunyons are full of insects and they end up killing the tree. I cut two bunyons thinking they were Burls... but no, they crack when they dry and are quite useless. As of what kind of tree it is, no idea either. Dont know much about trees in Europe. Anyhow, good luck and dont lose respect for that tree, or any tree for that matter. Peace.

Oh, and i was worryed about killing the tree :P

iamlowsound · #13 07-17-2007, 10:39 PM

Looks elm to me, I used to have one in my back yard and had to rake the leaves EVERY year. They actually have a really nice grain and look great when finished.

lowsound

**Rodent** · #14 07-18-2007, 06:54 AM

IIRC a burl technically occurs only in the region of a tree where the trunk joins the root system, with an occasional exception of it being found where a branch meets the trunk. as T2W points out, the feature identified in the image would be called a gall or bunyon

kind of similar to people mistakenly saying that roses have thorns, when in fact they technically have prickles and not thorns.

all the best,

R

PilbaraBass · #15 07-18-2007, 07:10 AM

Elm...

eleonn · #16 07-18-2007, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rodent

kind of similar to people mistakenly saying that roses have thorns, when in fact they technically have prickles and not thorns.

all the best,

R

Really???? I guess Poisons song is wrong then!!

tribal3140 · #17 07-18-2007, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodent

IIRC a burl technically occurs only in the region of a tree where the trunk joins the root system, with an occasional exception of it being found where a branch meets the trunk. as T2W points out, the feature identified in the image would be called a gall or bunyon

kind of similar to people mistakenly saying that roses have thorns, when in fact they technically have prickles and not thorns.

all the best,

R

are you sure about this?
what about logs that are burled all the way through?
thats not considered gall or bunyon, that specific and chaotic pattern of cellular growth denote the burl classification be it on a branch the whole log, butress or root burl.
at least thats what I thought i knew.
A gall or bunyon dosent have the cellular growth patterns of chaos that the burls have.

Jazz Ad · #18 07-19-2007, 01:37 AM

ANyway it is worth cutting and slicing the thing.

JoeVictim · #19 07-19-2007, 12:57 PM

Every rose has it's prickle...