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05-14-2009, 02:22 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Chicago, IL | | | Especially since they have zwei openings - we all have double the chance! Of course, doubling zero still makes zero... |
05-14-2009, 04:47 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New York, New York | | | Interesting rep list... I've never seen anything like that. |
05-14-2009, 10:19 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bloomington, IN | | | Such a departure from typical European orchestra lists... |
05-15-2009, 12:41 AM
| | | | i'll take concerto of my own choice over dittersdorf, koussevitzky, and bach any day
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05-15-2009, 11:40 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Boston, MA | | | no way will berlin only ask for a concerto. I thought this was just the first round/tape kind of thing? Surely they will actually ask for excerpts at some point. |
05-15-2009, 06:11 PM
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05-16-2009, 11:31 PM
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Any luck auditioning on french bow?
| Yea sure, go for it! lol
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05-17-2009, 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by chicagodoubler  Any luck auditioning on french bow? | lol. |
05-17-2009, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by mattgray Such a departure from typical European orchestra lists... |
not really |
05-17-2009, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter Ferretti no way will berlin only ask for a concerto. I thought this was just the first round/tape kind of thing? Surely they will actually ask for excerpts at some point. | Almost all German orchestras mention the solos they want to hear in their advert. The excerpts are sent if you are invited to the auditon (resume screening).
A while back the excerpts for the Berlin phil were, Beethoven 3, 5, 7 and 9. Nothing else. I don't know if they still do this. |
05-17-2009, 05:46 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Europe | | You probably have to be IN with the Berlin crowd, like know what sound they look for, play like them, etc....American bass playing isn't Berlin playing. The sound is quite distinct. And if you don't "play with them, you're against them  ".
Not to take the wind out of your sails, but thats my thought on the matter. Lots of European orchestras can be "endogamic". Sad fact. Unless you kick SERIOUS ass.
But then it probably wont matter anyway. They'll still choose one of their own.
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05-17-2009, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ekspain "endogamic" | nice |
05-17-2009, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ekspain You probably have to be IN with the Berlin crowd, like know what sound they look for, play like them, etc....American bass playing isn't Berlin playing. The sound is quite distinct. And if you don't "play with them, you're against them ".
Not to take the wind out of your sails, but thats my thought on the matter. Lots of European orchestras can be "endogamic". Sad fact. Unless you kick SERIOUS ass.
But then it probably wont matter anyway. They'll still choose one of their own.
Enroll in the Karajan Academy.... | So, in other words...you have to be really freaking good.
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05-17-2009, 10:01 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Los Angeles/Bloomington | | | sort of.... |
05-18-2009, 02:11 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Athens Greece | | | Most big european orchestras will make you audition over and over again. They are always looking for something extra in a player and something that will fit the 'sound' of the band. Some of the really big ones like BPO have massive collections of instruments so if you get the job you will be asked to play a Maggini or a Lott or some other classy box! The new principal in the Concertgebouw, Dominic Seldis, just signed the contract this week after three auditions over a year and several months of trials. He's just been given 'carte blanc' to choose any (yes ANY!) bass in the world that is available and the band will pay for it after hearing him play on a short list selection! The BPO isn't much different. The only problem there is the atmosphere. It may have changed in the last five years but when I met with some of the guys there (just after they booked the young finnish guy) there was definitely bitch meter readings in the high 90s! NO French bows! I wouldn't even go in the building with a frenchie in case I was spotted and draged out by the bow police! Beethoven, Stauss, some Mendelssohn and Brahms but really nailed and from memory! They're not really intersted in how well you can play Dittersorf, but they want to hear a big sound with the right vibrato and note length. If you are even considering this you should (and this is not brown nosing but seriously the best way to go) try to get a consultation lesson with one of the principals. He'll give you a heads up on details they want to hear and also, more importantly, let you know if he thinks you should be auditioning or not. You can do more damage auditioning for a post you are not ready for than not auditioning at all. That said It's one of the skooshiest jobs out, I think it's about six months on a year and some of the best chamber music you can imagine in your spare time!
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05-18-2009, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by fergus currie Most big european orchestras will make you audition over and over again. They are always looking for something extra in a player and something that will fit the 'sound' of the band. Some of the really big ones like BPO have massive collections of instruments so if you get the job you will be asked to play a Maggini or a Lott or some other classy box! The new principal in the Concertgebouw, Dominic Seldis, just signed the contract this week after three auditions over a year and several months of trials. He's just been given 'carte blanc' to choose any (yes ANY!) bass in the world that is available and the band will pay for it after hearing him play on a short list selection! The BPO isn't much different. The only problem there is the atmosphere. It may have changed in the last five years but when I met with some of the guys there (just after they booked the young finnish guy) there was definitely bitch meter readings in the high 90s! NO French bows! I wouldn't even go in the building with a frenchie in case I was spotted and draged out by the bow police! Beethoven, Stauss, some Mendelssohn and Brahms but really nailed and from memory! They're not really intersted in how well you can play Dittersorf, but they want to hear a big sound with the right vibrato and note length. If you are even considering this you should (and this is not brown nosing but seriously the best way to go) try to get a consultation lesson with one of the principals. He'll give you a heads up on details they want to hear and also, more importantly, let you know if he thinks you should be auditioning or not. You can do more damage auditioning for a post you are not ready for than not auditioning at all. That said It's one of the skooshiest jobs out, I think it's about six months on a year and some of the best chamber music you can imagine in your spare time!
FC | Nicely said. |
05-18-2009, 06:12 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Cambridge, UK | | | the one bassist i know in the berlin phil is so freaking cool - i don't know how he feels about french/german bows, but when i was stand partners with him last summer, we switched bows and just had a laugh over it. it was cool. maybe they're getting less strict over it. |
05-18-2009, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ekspain Enroll in the Karajan Academy.... | yes, but even then........ |
05-18-2009, 10:04 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Boston, MA | | | fool, it should sound like the same thing. don't try and start nothin. |  | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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