Theory Forum - Page 3

thrash_jazz · #41 06-14-2002, 08:46 AM

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Originally posted by Chris Fitzgerald
Last year, I couldn't even find any bass transcriptions of the Bach 2-part inventions for use in collegiate-level teaching that didn't include tabs, and it just made me sick. A division needs to be made so that those who are serious about pursuing music to a deeper level don't waste their time on a dead end street.

"Hooked on Phonics" for music -

. I find those dual tab/notation pieces to be tools of the devil - if you can't figure out a part right away, the answer IS right there, and your reading never improves. To me, tabs serve a wholly different purpose than notation. IMHO the two should be kept apart from one another... which is what is happening here now!

I was thinking - since so many people do see learning by ear as an insurmountable task, and thus unknowingly develop TAB addiction, perhaps a DB-Newbielinks-style posting in the TAB thread could address these issues? (I haven't recanted yet on TABS, but I do think that TABdiction is evil.)

EDIT: 666th post, bwahahahaha.

Sam Sherry · #42 06-14-2002, 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by Chris Fitzgerald
Wow, thanks for all the words of support! I don't want to make a huge deal out of this

What option makes less work for Chris Fitzgerald? (And no, he did NOT pay me to post this, either.)

Phil Smith · #43 06-14-2002, 12:06 PM

So is the "Theory" forum idea dead?

robw · #44 06-14-2002, 01:39 PM

I'm posting this 'cause Chris got mad at us over in DB.

We don't talk much outside of the castle.

My opinion: the theory forum sounds great to me. Over in DB there have been some great theory threads running in both "technique" and "miscellaneous" forums that I keep my eye on; it would be good to get them together. And I'm all for a unified BG/DB theory forum; I think it might expand some horizons on both sides. Perhaps it would eventually outgrow itself and need to be split up, but maybe not.

As for a separate jazz theory forum, I don't know. There could be a newbie thread at the top that links several introductory threads and topics, or even a course (as suggested). But I think a general theory forum would be big enough for all discussion - jazz, rock, classical, etc. I guess if a flood of very basic theory topics was ongoing then a "jazz theory" forum or something deeper might be needed.

A good introductory thread in the "Theory" forum would be "Why TAB is bad for your musical development" led by Chris and Ed.

Thanks. I'm going back now.

**Chris Fitzgerald** · #45 06-15-2002, 08:30 AM

Wow, that was quick! Now that the new Tab forum is up, mightn't it be a good idea to move all of the tab threads from GI into it to sort of give it a running head start? I plan on doing this in DB if we end up with a Theory forum...all of the theory stuff from Misc could go in there, sort of like a "housewarming". If Chris A needed any help doing this, I'd be happy to volunteer to get the ball rolling...it could probably be done in a few hours.

By the way, I'm leaning towards a separate theory forum for DB and BG, with links stuck to the top of each so that people will have easy access to both. Don made a good point about how each was likely to be used for specific purposes, and those who wanted to read both could easily do so. Also, I don't really see the need for a separate Jazz forum, since all theory deals with the same 12 notes anyway. FWIW.

JazznFunk · #46 06-15-2002, 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by Chris Fitzgerald
Also, I don't really see the need for a separate Jazz forum, since all theory deals with the same 12 notes anyway. FWIW.

Chris,
Not to nit-pick, but I think a separate section for jazz theory *would* be appropriate. There are many aspects of theory that apply to classical and jazz theory, but jazz theory is different enough that certain concepts might warrant having a separate section. Just a thought....

**Chris Fitzgerald** · #47 06-15-2002, 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by JazznFunk

Chris,
Not to nit-pick, but I think a separate section for jazz theory *would* be appropriate. There are many aspects of theory that apply to classical and jazz theory, but jazz theory is different enough that certain concepts might warrant having a separate section. Just a thought....

That's true, but you can put enough in the title to let people know what the thread's about. If it's a jazz thread, people will figure it out quickly enough. It's not like these forums are gonna be jumpin' on Saturday night or anything...I bet the traffic is slow enough that there's plenty of room for both in one forum. If not, we could always make that decision when events warrant.

If we do it this way and it turns out that the elitist Legit Theory snobs start dissing the jazzers by condescendingly aDdReSsInG tHeM iN fIeLdY tYpE, then I'll eat my words.

lump · #48 06-15-2002, 11:14 PM

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Originally posted by JazznFunk
Chris,
Not to nit-pick, but I think a separate section for jazz theory *would* be appropriate. There are many aspects of theory that apply to classical and jazz theory, but jazz theory is different enough that certain concepts might warrant having a separate section. Just a thought....

Concur. I think creating Jazz Theory forum is more appropriate than creating an all-purpose Theory forum which, again, would emasculate General Instruction on the BG side. Let GI handle classical/diatonic stuff for BGers, and let Jazz Theory handle jazz for all. Jazz Theory will probably be very DB heavy anyway, so it shouldn't detract too much from BG GI. IMO.

But I would also wait a coupla months to see what impact the new Tab Request forum has on things before I started messing with stuff more.

jazzbo · #49 06-15-2002, 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by Chris Fitzgerald
It's not like these forums are gonna be jumpin' on Saturday night or anything...

Whoo-hoo! It's Saturday night boys and girls. Let's hop on down to TB and start a rousing discussion on voicing altered chords. Whoo-freakin'-hoo!!!

**Chris Fitzgerald** · #50 06-16-2002, 12:07 AM

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Originally posted by lump

Concur. I think creating Jazz Theory forum is more appropriate than creating an all-purpose Theory forum which, again, would emasculate General Instruction on the BG side. Let GI handle classical/diatonic stuff for BGers, and let Jazz Theory handle jazz for all. Jazz Theory will probably be very DB heavy anyway, so it shouldn't detract too much from BG GI. IMO.

So you're saying put Jazz theory in DB and make BG GI the regular theory forum? Well, that could work. I still stand by my statements about Saturday evenings, however.

TJC · #51 07-26-2002, 09:21 AM

In my mind the contents of a unified theory forum would be for the most part abstract (duh) and thus would be applicable to both instruments. DB and BG would still have their separate sections for technique, strings, etc...

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Also, I don't really see the need for a separate Jazz forum, since all theory deals with the same 12 notes anyway.

I couldn't agree more!

Enforce a strict no-tab rule, and everyone's happy.

PanteraFan · #52 08-30-2002, 07:35 PM

When I want tabs, I go to www.mxtabs.net. When I want intelligent discussion, I come to TB. I say stop hosting tabs, keep the tab forum tucked away where the troglodytes are out of sight, and let's get on with it. I use tabs yes, but I don't think that TB is the sort of low-brow site that needs to waste its time on them.

As for the 'TB could be the only place they hear a different way' aspect, do you really think those kids are so serious about bass playing that they'll listen? They're coming over to one of the best bass discussion boards ever, and they want a TaB 4 7H3 n3W kOrN s0N6, d00d! I say they'll be playing guitar a year from now.

EDIT: However, when I do want tabs, I get the guitar tab so I can figure out the lines a little by ear, and also brush up on my songwriting - the guitar plays that and the bass plays that, etc. However, hosting guitar tabs on TB would be ethically wrong, so just ignore this part of the post.