420 at practice - at what point do you tell somebody?

[boristhespider9]

Originally Posted by Mushroo

Yes to all of the above. Believe it or not, there's a fairly good chance your doctor/lawyer/pharmacist/drummer already tokes, and you just don't know it.

Untrue. That's what you want to believe, because perhaps you've met a few people in positions of responsibility who engage in illegal and irresponsible behavior -- and it makes you feel like you're in the majority -- but these are anomalies. I wouldn't approve of any of the scenarios above. I'd also speculate that most people who would approve don't actually have their own family and/or don't hold positions of responsibility in their day jobs.

[dmusic148]

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

The OP visited his potential new "work place," the band's rehearsal space, to check out what it would be like to be in the band. The band acted as they normally would, providing the OP an accurate portrayal of what he would be in for if he opted/was selected to join.

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Yep, he'd have been in for playing with a bunch of dorks.

: D

[Big Brother]

Originally Posted by boristhespider9

I'm just curious if you'd be ok with a pot-smoking surgeon operating on your wife or mother, a pot-smoking anesthesiologist putting you under for surgery, a pot-smoking lawyer drafting your will and trust, a pot-smoking cop responding to your house during a home-invasion, a pot-smoking pharmacist measuring your kid's liquid antibiotic dose, a pot-smoking truck driver in a big-rig behind your family car, a pot-smoking tech installing your new gas stove, or, for that matter, a pot-smoking drummer holding the beat for your first sold-out show at House of Blues just after you've been introduced to a major label rep specifically there to see your band play?

I wouldn't.

But there are, and far, far more than you probably think.

Ask the same question except substitute 'alcohol drinker,' what would your answer be?

I am trying to make some sense of the idea that one is socially OK but the other is not. Is there a medical or a scientific reason for that I am not aware of?

[Big Brother]

Originally Posted by boristhespider9

Untrue. That's what you want to believe, because perhaps you've met a few people in positions of responsibility who engage in illegal and irresponsible behavior -- and it makes you feel like you're in the majority -- but these are anomalies. I wouldn't approve of any of the scenarios above. I'd also speculate that most people who would approve don't actually have their own family and/or don't hold positions of responsibility in their day jobs.

Perhaps you have been led to the opposite conclusion for the same reasons.

It is personal choice with a pretty consistent percentage across the board that I have observed, ones professional or social level has little to do with ones likelihood to light one up.

[vishuddha]

Originally Posted by nortonrider

This whole Adderall thing seems to me to just be the flavor of the month drug peddled by the pharmaceutical companies.
ADHD also seems to be the "latest craze" in doctors diagnoses.

Nice one, tool. I've only struggled with ADHD my entire life. What an ignorant a**hole.

[UncleFluffy]

Originally Posted by Mushroo

I'd say this is culturally relative, rather than some absolute moral imperative as you claim. People have smoked cigarettes without asking me thousands of times.

There's no moral imperative for a host to be considerate of their guest's health and comfort?

I suppose so, but it's a very common convention across many, many cultures. People who don't feel that way are best avoided, IMO.

As for the thousands of people inviting your into their homes / other enclosed spaces then lighting a cigarette without asking you first ... yup, that was rude of them too.

[Mushroo]

Originally Posted by boristhespider9

Untrue. That's what you want to believe, because perhaps you've met a few people in positions of responsibility who engage in illegal and irresponsible behavior -- and it makes you feel like you're in the majority -- but these are anomalies. I wouldn't approve of any of the scenarios above. I'd also speculate that most people who would approve don't actually have their own family and/or don't hold positions of responsibility in their day jobs.

I would counter-speculate that your friends, family & colleagues are hesitant to discuss their marijuana use around you, because they know of your strong opinions on the matter.

"Illegal" depends on where you live, and "irresponsible" is purely opinion.

[UncleFluffy]

Originally Posted by boristhespider9

I'm just curious if you'd be ok with a pot-smoking surgeon operating on your wife or mother, a pot-smoking anesthesiologist putting you under for surgery, a pot-smoking lawyer drafting your will and trust, a pot-smoking cop responding to your house during a home-invasion, a pot-smoking pharmacist measuring your kid's liquid antibiotic dose, a pot-smoking truck driver in a big-rig behind your family car, a pot-smoking tech installing your new gas stove, or, for that matter, a pot-smoking drummer holding the beat for your first sold-out show at House of Blues just after you've been introduced to a major label rep specifically there to see your band play?

I wouldn't.

Dunno. Would they actually be smoking pot (or be under the influence) at the time? If yes then no/no/yes/no/no/no/no/yes. If no, then yes to all cases.

Originally Posted by aborgman

I used to work for the largest chip manufacturer in the world.

I'd conservatively estimate that 1/3 of the engineers where I worked were REGULAR pot smokers.

Probably close to 50% smoked occasionally.

I've never worked for those guys, but have worked for a bunch of other chip companies. And, yes, 1/3 would be a conservative estimate by my experience as well, I used to be one of them.

[Kubicki440]

I would have packed up as well. Was in a country band for awhile, they started with beer then eventually progressed to cocaine at practices. I left the band and moved on.

It's up to you what you decide is important. Seems as if you already decided with the first post, I always viewed bass players much more difficult to find in all honesty, be choosy.

No problem if they choose their lifestyle but I wouldn't want them forcing it upon me. To each their own.

[pacojas]

hi, boris!

i absolutely see and agree! those same professionals should use discretion wisely while performing their duties. however, i don't hold musisicians to the same degree as say a surgeon. the cops that i know burn vigorously after they clock-out, though!

[boristhespider9]

Originally Posted by Mushroo

I would counter-speculate that your friends, family & colleagues are hesitant to discuss their marijuana use around you, because they know of your strong opinions on the matter.

"Illegal" depends on where you live, and "irresponsible" is purely opinion.

Also incorrect.

And you know what, it hasn't been hard to find great musicians that don't smoke pot. It's amazing how responsible they are too.

It's actually illegal everywhere under Federal law. As long as it's illegal, it's illegal. Like the guy above, I don't want you exposing me to it, riding in my car with it, or bringing it in my house. Don't put me at risk with your vice. Despite all this, like the guy above, I'm not as uptight as you might think and I rock as hard as anyone when I plug in my bass--and I don't need to smoke pot to do so. I also probably make less mistakes!

[inthevelvet]

Originally Posted by HolmeBass

I've heard many ways to do so, but all basically boil down to dilution, and any sophisticated test these days only accept samples that are not too diluted. There is a fine line that can be walked to dilute enough to pass but not so much that the test fails for urine concentrations. The other way is to use someone else's urine.

Yet another way is to realize if you are being drug tested for your job, there may in fact be a reason they are doing it, like they don't feel a habitual drug user is someone they want doing that job.

[inthevelvet]

Originally Posted by Big Brother

But there are, and far, far more than you probably think.

Ask the same question except substitute 'alcohol drinker,' what would your answer be?

I am trying to make some sense of the idea that one is socially OK but the other is not. Is there a medical or a scientific reason for that I am not aware of?

We could argue about whether the laws should be changed all day, but for many of us it comes down to 420 being illegal and alcohol not.

[nortonrider]

Originally Posted by vishuddha

Nice one, tool. I've only struggled with ADHD my entire life. What an ignorant a**hole.

Sounds like you need some of your "meds" Adderall or Ritalin.
(or smoke a joint)

[Mushroo]

Originally Posted by boristhespider9

I don't want you exposing me to it, riding in my car with it, or bringing it in my house.

I promise.

[zachoff]

It's threads like these that make me realize how much of a societal weirdo I am.

[Marko5657]

Gigging, I’ve only experienced an occasional problem with too much booze (always addressed and typically self-corrected), but never with pot. Maybe it’s ‘cause we're older and have gotten past the pot, but alcohol is very popular and convenient, especially at a bar.

New band, keyboard player partakes, but not too much, and he has life issues that imo justify the stress relief. So long as he does his job (which he does), I wouldn’t dream of saying anything.

I’m the BL, but I’m not a control freak, and to me, it’s more important that the musicians are happy and have what they need. So far it’s worked for me. YMMV.

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

The OP visited his potential new "work place," the band's rehearsal space, to check out what it would be like to be in the band. The band acted as they normally would, providing the OP an accurate portrayal of what he would be in for if he opted/was selected to join.

If he encountered a deal breaker right off the bat, it wasn't gonna be a good fit, was it?

Best for everyone to find out quickly, without a lot of wasted time and effort, whether "the hang" was gonna be conducive to everyone making some good music together.

That’s kinda how I saw it.

[Stumbo]

Originally Posted by hdracer

I have no problem with having some drinks or some smoke AFTER practice is over.

+2

[Munjibunga]

Originally Posted by hrodbert696

If the guys in the band smoke, at what point DO you tell a prospective new guy and sound him out about it?

In the ad. I see a lot of ads on CL that say, "420 friendly." That's cool, because I know immediately that it's a band I'm not a match for. In the ads I write for my band, I put "420 unfriendly." The BL is a cop. (I don't put that in the ad). We just auditioned a guy who had to take a break to go outside and smoke a cigarette. Even if he had been a good player ("adequate" would be generous), that would've killed it for us.

[mcnach]

No big deal, in my opinion.
If you are not comfortable, then leave.
In my main band I'm the one who does not smoke. It does not bother me, they are good guys and I enjoy being around them. If it bothered me I would leave.

Moderation is the key.

Same for alcohol.