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Old 12-11-2010, 04:01 PM
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Got back from my cover band audition today. It went extreamly well I think. I had to check my tempo once, but other then that things were butter smooth.

Some things though that I would like to get some serious feedback on if you people don't mind.

I was the only one moving around. The guitarist was a statue and the drummer... well... he was a drummer lol.

should I read into this or should i just blow it off?

second, the guitarist stands right in front of the drummer facing him. This makes it hard to look for any ques that i need. I can pick them up by ear but the there were parts in the song that i where i needed to watch the drummer for my que.

So again... should i be terribly worried?

other then that though everything went well. They said they would give me a ring after the holidays so we start getting things orignized (set list worked out and such).
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in my experience, if someone isn't at least nodding their head or moving in some physical way to their music it means they aren't putting emotion into it and are treating the music as more of a technical task

if theyre getting gigs I wouldn't worry about it because it's only covers, if they're not getting gigs then maybe the guitarist being boring on stage is something to do with it
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Have you ever seen these guys live?

I've played with some people that didn't move too much during a rehearsal but went crazy playing on a stage. Just because they aren't moving when they practice doesn't mean they're not into what they're playing...that's rather silly. Remember that different people will get into their music in different ways, and just because they aren't moving doesn't mean they're not putting emotion into what they do.
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good point rudreax
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Have you ever seen these guys live?

I've played with some people that didn't move too much during a rehearsal but went crazy playing on a stage. Just because they aren't moving when they practice doesn't mean they're not into what they're playing...that's rather silly. Remember that different people will get into their music in different ways, and just because they aren't moving doesn't mean they're not putting emotion into what they do.
i'm not saying jump around, but a head bob, a foot tap - something!
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Well there are a couple of blanks unless I missed them.

Is this a working cover band with a history of solid booking and has dates booked in 2011?

How old are you guys? ( you could be 16 which would have an impact on my comment)


It's December 11th, I don't get the whole we will get back in touch after the holidays would concern me. Most TBer here will think that's completely reasonable.Thats cool, however, for me, it's not.
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I'm 22 and they're like 40ish. The drummer was in a band called "poser" who was an 80's style hair metal band. They broke up in mid november and supposedly had to cancel like 8 shows. I'm not sure there's anything planned for 2011 yet but they do know the local music scene well enough to know what each venue pays.
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I'm 22 and they're like 40ish. The drummer was in a band called "poser" who was an 80's style hair metal band. They broke up in mid november and supposedly had to cancel like 8 shows. I'm not sure there's anything planned for 2011 yet but they do know the local music scene well enough to know what each venue pays.
I think a lot bands end up in this situation, sort of regrouping.

Sounds like a good opportunity,I hope you get the gig. However the waiting till after the holidays concerns me.
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in my experience, if someone isn't at least nodding their head or moving in some physical way to their music it means they aren't putting emotion into it and are treating the music as more of a technical task

if theyre getting gigs I wouldn't worry about it because it's only covers, if they're not getting gigs then maybe the guitarist being boring on stage is something to do with it
I couldn't disagree more. If we all buy into your logic, John Entwistle SUCKED! He was the most emotion less player ever and yet was also one of the best bass players who ever lived. John Deacon from Queen was also mostly expressionless. I have been criticized for not showing emotion on stage but I have also been told by professional players and guys who went to Berklee and the London Conservatory of Music that I was the best bass player they have ever played with. Everybody is different. I will take a great player who shows little emotion over a poor player who is running all over the stage anyday.
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I couldn't disagree more. If we all buy into your logic, John Entwistle SUCKED! He was the most emotion less player ever and yet was also one of the best bass players who ever lived. John Deacon from Queen was also mostly expressionless. I have been criticized for not showing emotion on stage but I have also been told by professional players and guys who went to Berklee and the London Conservatory of Music that I was the best bass player they have ever played with. Everybody is different. I will take a great player who shows little emotion over a poor player who is running all over the stage anyday.
Unless your playing jazz, being animated and being able to play great and entertain is a big part of this for most of us.

I saw 2 top notch bands perform last night, both had really accomplished bass players. They both showed us they were having fun and we entertaining.

I am not talkin about being a goof on stage.I think being entertaining and figuring out what works for you is hard for a lot of bass players.

I personally don't think sitting back in the back ground emotionless is the answer.
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It's December 11th, I don't get the whole we will get back in touch after the holidays would concern me. Most TBer here will think that's completely reasonable.Thats cool, however, for me, it's not.
I'm with Blue on this one.
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I disagree about the not moving equals no emotion formula. When rehearsing I tend to move around very little, if at all. Hell, sometimes I will play leaning against a wall. That rhyme is accidental. When it is time to take it to the stage, people have often told me that if I were to do this every week, I would lose tons of weight from all the dancing and moving around I do.

Also, I have seen some incredibly good players who simply looked utterly bored on stage. Talk to them afterwards and they were psyched. Some people just do not project their feelings outward. John Entwistle has been mentioned and I think he is a perfect example.

No two people are the same so you really cannot make general statements like: "If they do not move, they are not enjoying themselves." That is a horse cr*p statement. How people will react to a band of shoegazers is a totally different argument altogether, though.
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How they move (or don't) in rehearsal doesn't mean anything. I saw a vid of ac/dc rehearsing a new song and Angus sat on a chair, stared at his guitar and was catatonic.
The rest of the band were statues. We all know what happens with these guys on stage though.
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very good points. I won't worry about the guitarist not moving.
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Rehearsals, heck, I mostly sit in my chair.

On stage, I grove, but I’m not too animated, as it’s just not me. The others do a great job, so that good.

Being a bass player, I get some slack with that. Not sure if it’s the way it should be, but that’s just how it is in my case.
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I will take a great player who shows little emotion over a poor player who is running all over the stage anyday.
I would too.....if those were the only choices. However, I'll take a great player who can move on stage and be interesting to watch over a great player who just stands there staring at his shoes anyday.
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Too many people make the mistake of believing we're in the music business.

Its the entertainment industry. Music is only one part. Maybe not even the biggest part. People get by with precious little musical talent, others with precious little stage presence. You must find your position between these two extremes, a combination that works for you...

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Too many people make the mistake of believing we're in the music business.

Its the entertainment industry. Music is only one part. Maybe not even the biggest part. People get by with precious little musical talent, others with precious little stage presence. You must find your position between these two extremes, a combination that works for you...

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Rehearsals, heck, I mostly sit in my chair.

On stage, I grove, but I’m not too animated, as it’s just not me. The others do a great job, so that good.

Being a bass player, I get some slack with that. Not sure if it’s the way it should be, but that’s just how it is in my case.
It depends on where your at in this biz and where the band is at.

I totally understand Angus sitting down. But none of us are Angus.

I mentioned in another thread that if I say more than 2 words to anyone it's alot.I come prepared to execute whatever the asignment was. Not to chit chat. Granted, I am not the easiest person to get along with.

I am working with some younger not so experienced musicians right now, I won't allow them to sit at reheasals for a lot of good reasons. Myself I always stand.
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Too many people make the mistake of believing we're in the music business.

Its the entertainment industry. Music is only one part. Maybe not even the biggest part. People get by with precious little musical talent, others with precious little stage presence. You must find your position between these two extremes, a combination that works for you...

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I am with Steve on this one. For those of you starting out, get it into your head that being an entertainer is a part of this.
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