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Old 05-30-2008, 02:23 PM
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You can only get so good 'in the basement'. Once you're out where it counts, people will remember songs and get their effect settings fixed or go home.
Do you have chord sheets for your songs? That might help to get eveyone together. And stay connected with the drummer.
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Alright man, I feel you. My first suggestion is take the drummer (and maybe G#1) and leave! Here's my assumption of your situation... the 47 year old guitar teacher is just not good and will never be good. Sure, you can teach theory, but that doesn't mean you have what it takes to play music efficiently--meaning, understanding his equipment to the point of being able to dial in an at least usable tone in minuets if not seconds. Ditch him, he's old, sucks, and that was mean The 20 year old seems like he can sing and play pretty well. Does he practice regularly? If so, he is worth keeping. If you and the drummer get along, at least the songs will have a tight foundation at the show.
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Age has nothing to do with anything with music. Being older is not the problem. There are millions of players around the world who do this every day who are older than 47. That being said: Rule #1: Practice at home, rehearse with the band. Rule#2: Don't be late.

You really need to find out why people are late. Are they just screwing around? don't consider other people's time important? working?

A band would be a good thing to discuss all the issues. 14 songs in 5 weeks=3 songs per week.
It's easy to measure progress when a gig's coming up. It's easier to see who's holding you back.

If someone doesn't have enough time to practice at home and can't control their equipment, IME, out he/she goes (no matter what the age). Big waste of time for the band, especially after its been brought to their attention. Since you have two guitarists, keep the one and maybe look for a keyboard player/vocalist.

One thing I can say about the equipment, if everything else is okay with a band member but they don't have time to keep their equipment together, I would work on it myself to get everything operating just right. It's harder to find a good band member than it is to put in a few minutes to get the equipment together. Some people work more than others and have other responsibilities but if they learn the songs, show up to rehearsal/gigs on time, working on their equipment is worth it (as long as they pay for parts).

Stick with the drummer, no matter what happens. He's your ticket to a great band. Just get him to show up timely so you can start rehearsing on time, no matter who's there besides you and him. The drummer may quit on you if things don't turn around.

For more band management tips check out: If only I knew then what I know now...

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why the hell is G#2 a teacher? Timing, tone, and intonation are all important aspects of guitar playing yet this guy doesn't have it
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why the hell is G#2 a teacher? Timing, tone, and intonation are all important aspects of guitar playing yet this guy doesn't have it
+1 He didnt even know his overdrive was causing the feedback gtr 1# did? 5 min to tune? Thats crazy hes a teacher?
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Kick out both guitar players...

Learn to sing...

Marry the drummer and become a Clatter cover band.
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UPDATES

Sorry about the novel....

UPDATE #1:
We had a VERY short notice, unpaid, "trial" gig this past Monday at a birthday party for a friend of G1. We only had 2 sets "ready" (read: not ready) but figured since it was a Monday evening and we were not being paid we wouldn't need to fill 3 hours anyway. Even though it was unpaid I really wanted to do this gig to try and show how poorly we were prepared. I was not disappointed.

I show up at the practice space and meet G1 and start packing up the PA and all the gear we need. It was an outdoor gig and it had rained off and on throughout the day but it was clear skies and great temps while we loaded up so I was hopeful that the weather would hold at least. Immediately after putting the last piece of gear in the cars I was hit with a few raindrops. In the next 5 minutes those clear skies turned BLACK with LOTS of lightening. When we get to the girls house the power is out.

We're supposed to set up in the backyard but the ground is still soaking wet. We don't bother unloading because while the rain has stopped the power is still out. The ground is drying up fast because the sun is back out and everyone is telling us the forecast says that that was the last storm cell of the night so we hang out for a bit just in case. About an hour later the power actually does come back on. We make the decision to play and start setting up. We had planned to use that previous hour to set up and get a good sound check so now we're rushing to get set up so we could go on by 8. No sound check.

We start the first song. It sucks. Sound levels are way off. All I can hear is G2 (as usual) blasting out of the monitors. I'm standing 2 feet in front of my LMII and Avatar B210 and 3 feet to the left of our mic'd drummer and the only thing I can hear is G2 ****ing everything up. He stops playing in the middle of several songs to screw around with his pedal. He continually turns his amp up (G1 has turned him down to 0 at the PA) At one point he unplugs his guitar for some unknown reason without muting or turning down his amp.

We were asked to turn down 4 times by the girls father. Finally he tells us it's getting late and we need to wrap it up, we've played about 8 songs. Fantastic. We break down and pack up the cars. The cops show up right after we finish putting everything away. They were cool, it was 10pm by this point and we had stopped playing about an hour before.

Soooo... All week I've had the drummer talking to me about the "gig" and how G2 has got to go. I agree and we take our concerns to G1 and he understands our issues. We have a paying gig on 7/4 so we all agree no line up changes this close to a gig.



UPDATE #2
We had rehearsal last night to work on set 3 and polish up sets 1&2. G2 has never played better. I was shocked. The drummer was shocked. G1 was shocked. He was not loud, after his pedal was setup he didn't touch it for 4 hours except to tune or to activate an effect. He knew his parts, played in time (except for Run To You, he always has trouble with the break for some reason). He was in tune and was cranking out tasteful solos. I was dumbstruck. There was only one thing that was different. He forgot his strap so he was playing sitting down. The same way he practices at home. Hmmm... Drummer told him to sit down from now on!

Oh yea, G1s sister sat in with us to sing one song to try out. She's a natural so we're gonna add her to the lineup sometime next month.

Anyway, I don't think we're out of the woods yet but I think Monday's gig might have been the wake up call I was hoping it would be. We have three more rehearsals before the next gig and no new songs to add so I'm cautiously.... less pessimistic.

And to top it all off we actually got an offer for another gig based on our "performance" from Monday night. Maybe we sounded better than I thought but I doubt it. It's another birthday party but it will be paid. It will give us back to back gigs for the fourth of July weekend but if we get what we're asking for it will be worth it.
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Old 06-20-2008, 10:24 AM
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FutureP, Great to hear things are starting to fall into place! I guress Gtr#2 only knows how to play sitting down!

I hope things start to take off now! Please keeps us posted.

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I suggest pointing all the positives out to G2 and see if he can do it consistently (sitting down, laying down, whatever).

Maybe he's on some type of medication or has some kind of condition that he hasn't told you about.
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G2 is fired!

Well we had our first "real" (read: paid) gig on the fourth and it was horrific. G2 is fired, or will be in a matter of hours. The gig was at a campground, lots of people there for the holiday and maybe 40-50 came down to watch us play. By the middle of our second set the only people still watching were G1s family and the two friends that came to see me.

I'll spare you the gory details but here's the worst of G2s gig offenses.
  • Playing several songs out of tune.
  • Tuning at full volume in the middle of a song.
  • Playing every solo out of time.
  • Playing in the wrong position and not noticing that you're in a different key than the rest of the band!!!
  • Playing his own made up parts to well known songs.
  • Not bothering to bring a set list.
  • Reading from a music stand and still getting everything wrong.
There was much more wrong with this gig and I had a few snafus as well but the only one who noticed (I think ) was my bass player friend. This band is in for some serious retooling.
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Old 07-08-2008, 02:36 PM
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OUCH

I'm really sorry man, but it looks like you have to cut your losses. Good luck.
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Alright man, I feel you. My first suggestion is take the drummer (and maybe G#1) and leave! Here's my assumption of your situation... the 47 year old guitar teacher is just not good and will never be good. Sure, you can teach theory, but that doesn't mean you have what it takes to play music efficiently--meaning, understanding his equipment to the point of being able to dial in an at least usable tone in minuets if not seconds. Ditch him, he's old, sucks, and that was mean The 20 year old seems like he can sing and play pretty well. Does he practice regularly? If so, he is worth keeping. If you and the drummer get along, at least the songs will have a tight foundation at the show.
That was what I was thinking. Suggest to the drummer and G#1 to have the band dissolve (make up some lame excuse), and form a new band with just them.
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I thought you where going to get him a stool!?
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I thought you where going to get him a stool!?
We decided to give him a boot instead!
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That was what I was thinking. Suggest to the drummer and G#1 to have the band dissolve (make up some lame excuse), and form a new band with just them.
Ye awe thought about that but we decided to just be up front about it and let him go. Funny thing though, we pretty much are reforming. New name, new set list, and (hopefully) new lead singer.
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the 47 year old guitar teacher is just not good and will never be good. ....... Ditch him, he's old, sucks, and that was mean
Let me guess......you're a snotty little 16 year old......

Age is not relevant here. But maturity might be.
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