Band has no drummer

[Lacuga]

Hi, TBers,

I am a relatively new player (~2 years). I joined a local covers band about 18 months ago. Nice group of guys, good lead singer. The problem is that our BL can't/won't find or hang on to a drummer. There's always a problem of one sort or another, usually a personality conflict. Our BL is a wanna-be drummer, but he's not good enough to play in a band setting.

As a new player, I am torn here. This is a pretty laid back group, which is good for me. They took me when when I knew next to nothing and have been very supportive. And I know that it's important to be in a band to help build my chops. The BL is a good organizer and (other than the drummer issue) handles things well.

On the other hand, I don't have a pocket to play in. Our rhythms are all over the place, and I think it may be hindering my development and feel. I have enough on my plate as a relative newbie without having to shoulder the responsibility of managing the rhythm alone. As a result of our being drummer-less, we are drifting to more acoustic-type stuff, which music I am not in love with. Finally, since I have limited practice/rehearsal time, staying with this band eats into my available playing time.

Should I stick with the group for now, since any band is better than none (for a newbie)? Or, should I ditch it in favor of more woodshed time? (For the record, really WILL take advantage of the extra time to practice and learn more.)

Thanks in advance for your ideas and suggestions.

[Winfred]

You can't resolve the issue with your BL and drummers. Some people just won't change, at least until they have a huge incentive for doing so.

You can keep playing with these guys, and look for another band at the same time.

Keep in mind, this is the first of many bands you will play in. I know this issue seems like a big deal right now, but it's not.

[mndean]

I was in the same position in an originals band that needed a drummer which the BL just wouldn't find except fill-ins on occasion. I quit and found other bands to play with.

[bearfoot]

Switch to acoustics. Now you are a folk act.

[sarcastro83]

These dudes didn't have a drummer either, and they were awesome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Black

[two fingers]

Originally Posted by Winfred

You can't resolve the issue with your BL and drummers. Some people just won't change, at least until they have a huge incentive for doing so.

You can keep playing with these guys, and look for another band at the same time.

Keep in mind, this is the first of many bands you will play in. I know this issue seems like a big deal right now, but it's not.

+1 Very well stated.

[Marko5657]

Originally Posted by sarcastro83

These dudes didn't have a drummer either, and they were awesome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Black

Sometime I think a drum machine isn’t such a bad idea.

[Raymeous]

Originally Posted by Lacuga

Hi, TBers,

I am a relatively new player (~2 years). I joined a local covers band about 18 months ago. Nice group of guys, good lead singer. The problem is that our BL can't/won't find or hang on to a drummer. There's always a problem of one sort or another, usually a personality conflict. Our BL is a wanna-be drummer, but he's not good enough to play in a band setting.

As a new player, I am torn here. This is a pretty laid back group, which is good for me. They took me when when I knew next to nothing and have been very supportive. And I know that it's important to be in a band to help build my chops. The BL is a good organizer and (other than the drummer issue) handles things well.

On the other hand, I don't have a pocket to play in. Our rhythms are all over the place, and I think it may be hindering my development and feel. I have enough on my plate as a relative newbie without having to shoulder the responsibility of managing the rhythm alone. As a result of our being drummer-less, we are drifting to more acoustic-type stuff, which music I am not in love with. Finally, since I have limited practice/rehearsal time, staying with this band eats into my available playing time.

Should I stick with the group for now, since any band is better than none (for a newbie)? Or, should I ditch it in favor of more woodshed time? (For the record, really WILL take advantage of the extra time to practice and learn more.)

Thanks in advance for your ideas and suggestions.

Maybe a conversation with the BL is in order. "You guys took me in and helped me a lot. Maybe we need to do the same with a drummer that may have good timing, but doesn't have the chops yet. He'll learn chops. If we can't do that, then get a drum machine or I'm out.

[bluewine]

How has the rotation if drummers effected your gigs?

Blue

[Octaves]

Go and buy yourself a cheap drum machine or device with pre-programmed in drum settings. You may not get all the starts and stops you need, but you will be able to play with it until you find a drummer.

[gumtownbassman]

Strap some drum triggers to your feet, kick for right foot snare on the left foot.

[Swakey]

I think you should stick with the band and look for something else as well.
Playing without a drummer does essentially give you the majority of responsibility for keeping time and will definitely make things more difficult for you but you will benefit greatly from this in the end. Just remember to always practice with a metronome at home

[Yango]

Just tell the BL that if he doesn't settle on a drummer any time soon, that you're going to look elsewhere. That just might give him an incentive.

[Lacuga]

Originally Posted by bluewine

How has the rotation if drummers effected your gigs?

Blue

We're basically gig-less. That's part of the problem. BIG effect. No rhythm = no gigs.

[Lacuga]

Originally Posted by Octaves

Go and buy yourself a cheap drum machine or device with pre-programmed in drum settings. You may not get all the starts and stops you need, but you will be able to play with it until you find a drummer.

Good idea. Honestly, I am such a newb I had no idea a drum machine could work to support a band.

[Lacuga]

Thanks for all of the suggestions. This is why TB is so great. I really do appreciate your thoughts and amusing comments.