Bandmate not tipping the waitstaff - Page 11

DWBass · #**201** 01-02-2013, 02:26 PM

We play at a place that comps us drinks. I usually pay for mine anyway and tip the waitresses. They work so hard for us to keep us happy so I don't feel it's fair to not tip them. I typically have only 2 drinks.

capncal · #**202** 01-03-2013, 09:15 AM

the dudes all in my band know to tip is divine, to not tip, is to be thirsty!

we typically just pay for our own drinks but we really like it when we can have a cooler backstage. most places we play provide drinks for the band in that fashion so tipping really isn't an issue. for the places that run a "band tab", we take that off the top when we get paid at the end of the night.

it's just kinda douchey to not tip your servers. and some folks are just douchey in that regard. but in this context, if he pisses off the wrong server, that really could hurt the image of the band and your chances of getting re-booked. he needs to understand that he is indeed a representative of the band.

but like i said, douchey behavior exist. prob not worth raising too much hell over it though. there's lots more stuff to fight about. just make sure you take care of your servers!

caeman · #**203** 01-03-2013, 09:21 AM

Start a "No Alcohol" policy. That will solve the problem.

bassmeknik · #**204** 01-03-2013, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by caeman

Start a "No Alcohol" policy. That will solve the problem.

While I kind of agree it would likely start a whole new problem...

capncal · #**205** 01-03-2013, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MNAirHead

True story from tonight.....

We didn't use a tip jar... received some gracious tips.... handed the entire wad to the waitress serving us.

She arranged to have the manager comp the guitar player's mom's dinner.... our dinners... then boxed up my wife a pizza.... they included our 8 redbulls in the comp package.

The manager then came out and booked us for 10 gigs - 2x 5 days in a row.
(we can store gear in their storage room)...

... then prepaid the 10 gigs and are having a valet park our cars.

Why?

Manager said we treat the staff and customers the best of their hired acts.

this right here. boom.

inthevelvet · #**206** 01-03-2013, 09:34 AM

YOU defintely need to take care of waitstaff for your drinks, and it sounds like you are. After you let the drummer know that what he is doing is rude and reflects poorly on the band, it's outta your hands and not your problem. You aren't gonna have much success trying to change the root behavior of a grown man. Believe me the staff knows the difference between "BandX doesn't tip well" vs. "BandX's drummer is a drunk and a bad tipper".

caeman · #**207** 01-03-2013, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bassmeknik

While I kind of agree it would likely start a whole new problem...

True. Then you could return to us complaining about a drummer that won't play unless he has 3 beers in him to start.

bassmeknik · #**208** 01-03-2013, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by caeman

True. Then you could return to us complaining about a drummer that won't play unless he has 3 beers in him to start.

ChrisB2 · #**209** 01-03-2013, 09:58 AM

Hmm.. I'm not a big drinker. We play some bars that comp us one free drink per set. In those places, I will go to the bar and request that one beer for that set, usually twice (2 drinks all night). I never call upon the floor staff. In those instances I don't feel the need to tip. Yes, it would be a good business move, but that's it; I just don't think I'm morally or ethically obligated to tip in those situations. As someone else said, I am receiving a portion of my pay. Should I tip the manager for handing me the cash at the end of the night?

However, occasionally I will order something to eat or extra drinks... maybe shots for the band, or a drink for my wife. In those cases I always tip, and pretty well. I also always tip when out eating or drinking and tip like anyone else. But the comp drinks, one per set... no, I don't see it there.

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P.S. The guys in my band who run up huge tabs ($40, $60) always tip at the end of the night when getting paid. I also do this when I run a little tab over my one comp drink. Funny thing, though, the bar staff always tries to refuse those tips, like they feel that the band shouldn't have to...?

Not yet · #**210** 01-03-2013, 01:55 PM

We always tip out the bar at the end of nite, usually $20 or more depending how well we did

Do it once and it's clean and easy.... Some places we tip on the the first drink, depends on place

jmattbassplaya · #**211** 01-03-2013, 02:02 PM

I don't think we ever tip bars on comped drinks because we always go up to the bar for them and never utilize the floor staff for it. That, plus it's always part of our pay, so I don't see the logic in paying money to acquire part of our pay. That said, we always tip whenever we buy our own personal drinks.

georgiagoodie · #**212** 01-03-2013, 02:15 PM

Did the waitress tip the band?......

caeman · #**213** 01-03-2013, 02:19 PM

The band's income doesn't take into account tips. Always tip the servers, they count on that as part of their NORMAL pay.

jmattbassplaya · #**214** 01-03-2013, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by caeman

The band's income doesn't take into account tips. Always tip the servers, they count on that as part of their NORMAL pay.

Sure, but what if part of our normal pay at a bar is comped drinks? Should we have to spend money in order to receive part of our pay? I don't think so.

DanNowhere · #**215** 01-03-2013, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jmattbassplaya

Sure, but what if part of our normal pay at a bar is comped drinks? Should we have to spend money in order to receive part of our pay? I don't think so.

If you were a regular employee, would you be allowed to drink alcohol? I don't think so.

chuck norriss · #**216** 01-03-2013, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by troy mcclure

Drives me nuts we wait months to get into a decent club and our drummer (it's always the drummer) runs a $40 bar tab night 1 and doesn't tip because he wants to keep his tab running to night 2 as the place pays us on night 2 of the weekend. So he takes his childish hostility out on the waitress.

He seems to have a persecution complex. Every time we play a bar, either they charge too much for drinks, the drinks are too small or he doesn't like the pay situation or any control of the set timing.

I explained to him, he represents the band when doesn't tip...he just doesn't get it.

Mr Pink over here.

jmattbassplaya · #**217** 01-03-2013, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DanNowhere

If you were a regular employee, would you be allowed to drink alcohol? I don't think so.

Obviously there must be some exception or else the bar wouldn't include alcoholic beverages as part of the pay in the contract, no? Furthermore, I don't think the owner of a bar would give the band a round of beers and shots (pro bono, while the band was in the middle of their set) unless they were cool with it. Seems 'apples and oranges' to me to try and make that comparison.

caeman · #**218** 01-03-2013, 04:05 PM

The bar has a contract with the servers. Their pay + tips is part of their job. A band should negotiate comp'd drinks and food as part of their pay.

jmclearnon · #**219** 01-04-2013, 03:05 AM

Well interesting how it is radically different in the USA, it's not in our culture to tip in the UK. Maybe because the minimum wage is fixed $8 or above. Over here you get raped when buying food and drinks at places.

When i have been in America i have tipped because it seems to be the thing to do (didn't really understand the significance and everything was so cheap anyways meh why not).

At least i understand it a bit better...

Ps. the only place where you seem to see tips in the UK is cafes or big eating parties

caeman · #**220** 01-04-2013, 08:54 AM

The minimum wage laws are different for waitstaff here. The Minimum wage is 1/2 the set amount for such folks, with the idea that they are earn tips which can easily exceed their normal pay.