Christian band drama

[Munjibunga]

Originally Posted by thewildest

So here it is, first of all, it is "cojones" ( cajones means boxes) and courageous women have "cojones" not men....

Don't worry - I know the Spanish - I live 30 miles from Mexico (when I'm not at Groom). In fact, I lived in El Cajon at one time. Maybe I'm misreading what you're saying here. Are you saying that courageous women have balls, but men don't, or are you saying courageous women have balls but they don't have men?

[edpal]

Originally Posted by Munjibunga

Don't worry - I know the Spanish - I live 30 miles from Mexico (when I'm not at Groom). In fact, I lived in El Cajon at one time. Maybe I'm misreading what you're saying here. Are you saying that courageous women have balls, but men don't, or are you saying courageous women have balls but they don't have men?

Oy VAY!
You've definately got me by the co-jones - I'm totally cajonied in. I'm more coureageous then my woman thinks - let's el boxeo Mano-a-mano. Or should we just go look for coureagous women who need a man? I like that idea best.

Thanks for the "munjie-jumping"...I mean bungee jumping. What's your name again?

Peace.

[Munjibunga]

Originally Posted by edpal

Oy VAY!
You've definately got me by the co-jones - I'm totally cajonied in. I'm more coureageous then my woman thinks - let's el boxeo Mano-a-mano. Or should we just go look for coureagous women who need a man? I like that idea best.

Thanks for the "munjie-jumping"...I mean bungee jumping. What's your name again?

Peace.

It's spelled "munji-jumping," even though you coined the term. And I love it - it has a nice ring to it. You may have the honor of providing its precise definition.

[thewildest]

Well, I was taught a long time ago that women had cojones and men had balls, in correctly used spanish... But I was wrong and I am really sorry for the confusion... My bad. The correct definition below:

"Cojones (s. cojón [koˈxon]) and huevos (eggs) or bolas/pelotas (balls) are vulgar Spanish curse-word usages for testicles. The singular form, cojón contains the augmentative suffix -ón (implying magnitude), and derives from the Vulgar Latin coleonem, the accusative form of coleo (testicle), an augmentative form of cōleus (leather bag for liquids); its variants are cūleus and culleus. The le → j or li → j pronunciation shift is common to Latin and Spanish, e.g. folia → hoja (leaf), which is a cognate with the English word "foliage"."

In any case, nothing to do with boxes. :^) My apologies....

[edpal]

Originally Posted by Munjibunga

It's spelled "munji-jumping," even though you coined the term. And I love it - it has a nice ring to it. You may have the honor of providing its precise definition.

Munji-jumping {verb}:
1. The act of moving toward someone at high speed in what seems an impending SLAM, then bouncing away at the last second avoiding actual destruction unless the person is particularly sensitive. Sort of like bungee-jumping. Best end result is when the second party munji-jumps at the first and they both can laugh about it later rather then be all, "you almost killed me dude, I hate you".
2. Sarcasm that shoots the apple off your head when they could have easily shot you between the eyes.

[Art Araya]

Originally Posted by williamk

I would just like to mention that "christian band drama" is an extremely funny thread title!

I find it a sad thread title. Shouldn't a band of Christians be able to work things like this out? Shouldn't they be able to talk to one another? Doesn't God's Word provide any guidance on this matter? Shouldn't church elders/leaders be sought out for counsel before an Internet forum composed of both believers and non-believers?

I'm not judging you man - you got some great responses here and it sounds like your heart is to do right by both your friend and your band.

[Groovy_Gravy]

LOL people here crack me up

[mcnach]

Originally Posted by thewildest

Well, I was taught a long time ago that women had cojones and men had balls, in correctly used spanish... But I was wrong and I am really sorry for the confusion... My bad. The correct definition below:

"Cojones (s. cojón [koˈxon]) and huevos (eggs) or bolas/pelotas (balls) are vulgar Spanish curse-word usages for testicles. The singular form, cojón contains the augmentative suffix -ón (implying magnitude), and derives from the Vulgar Latin coleonem, the accusative form of coleo (testicle), an augmentative form of cōleus (leather bag for liquids); its variants are cūleus and culleus. The le → j or li → j pronunciation shift is common to Latin and Spanish, e.g. folia → hoja (leaf), which is a cognate with the English word "foliage"."

In any case, nothing to do with boxes. :^) My apologies....

Where did you hear that weird distinction between men and women regarding cojones???

Strictly speaking, only men have them, of course, since that just means testicles.
But when talking about "courage", it can be and it is routinely used for both men and women.
Trust me, I'm a 44 year old Spaniard and I'm used to hearing it.

:-)

[edpal]

Originally Posted by Art Araya

I find it a sad thread title. Shouldn't a band of Christians be able to work things like this out? Shouldn't they be able to talk to one another? Doesn't God's Word provide any guidance on this matter? Shouldn't church elders/leaders be sought out for counsel before an Internet forum composed of both believers and non-believers?

I'm not judging you man - you got some great responses here and it sounds like your heart is to do right by both your friend and your band.

It IS a sad title, f-bombing, nuclear explosions in my head sad. Yes, you think we would do better......

Nice thing about the Internet is you get responses from all over, coming from many directions and school of thought. I don't fear those other thoughts, I know I control the switch.

Yeah, those dudes are totally not doing anything now - not together or even playing with other folk.

[Salamenster]

The joy being a modernist catholic. We don't have these type of issues, because even if we are all catholics, the band is still not christian! Christian music should be made in church, IMHO! Preferably latin hymns/chants. Pop music should be secular, so you don't get an reli-stamp on your music (wich is not a thing to want in my country).

Not trying to get this thread all about religious debates and stuff, just giving my opinion. If you think otherwise, that's cool. You should. Not my bussiness.

[edpal]

Originally Posted by Salamenster

The joy being a modernist catholic. We don't have these type of issues, because even if we are all catholics, the band is still not christian! Christian music should be made in church, IMHO! If you think otherwise, that's cool. You should. Not my bussiness.

I've been a church musician of 24 years - imo they have plenty of people to do that work. We bill ourselves as a rock band of Christians, not the other way around.

We believe that by using the mediums of contemporary Christian & secular music in a non-threatening environment, the unchurched will be more receptive to the message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And if they don't want/like the message - that's ok, maybe they'll like the music anyway.
http://www.reverbnation.com/nailsofg...one-in-me-clip

[the yeti]

Originally Posted by Salamenster

The Church is degrading itself to protestant levels.

what Church is that? also, what is the protestant level of degradation exactly? not offended, just curious.

[edpal]

Originally Posted by Salamenster

Okay. It was not my intention to get an argument about this, but I simply wanted to state my opinion. I don't want to get into all of this religious debate stuff, 'cause I don't want to get banned. But I just NEED to respond to this.

IMHO, the use of pop music for religious music is pure blasphemy.

Gee wiz, I'm not going to get myself banned by responding. I'll only clarify something you obviously misunderstood to the utmost degree. We don't use pop music(actually mid-hard rock) as religious music. Music is only religious music if you are a person with religious beliefs. Otherwise it means nothing. We use rock music as a stepping stone, a business card, a handshake of greeting for those who are not religious and are suspect of religious types, of any faith. Sometimes the best thing that comes out of our gigs is we get a chance to answer someone's questions about how to get from point A to point B. It's not a bait & switch either.
http://www.reverbnation.com/nailsofg...one-in-me-clip

Ok, maybe this will get me slapped(hopefull not banned) - We do this because many will never be comfortable or accepted at an organized House of Worship. The reason is in the Parable of the Prodigal Son: the real problem is the older brother who won't accept his younger, wayward brother back. That might be you, it has probably been me at times.

[Salamenster]

Originally Posted by the yeti

what Church is that? also, what is the protestant level of degradation exactly? not offended, just curious.

Two posts above I stated I was a modernist Catholic. Not that I'm a die-hard radical, far from! Some of my best friends are protestants and even a militant atheist!

With the degradation I meant the 'hippieness' I see in most (American) evangelical/protestant churches. I feel that the Roman-Catholic Church has always had a (for that time) scientifical, philosophical and intellectual flair that I miss in protestant churches. I'm a modernist because I'm pro-gay, pro-evolution and pro-choice. I also find that science and religion should coexist, tough they have to be kept apart.

I'm not a native English speaker, so I didn't know another word for 'changing in a direction opposite to my beliefs/taste' without making it sound inferior. The latter was definitely not my goal. I respect all beliefs and point of views that are not hatred-spreading fundamentalists.

[edpal]

Moderator - forgive us for the thread going off track. I've left the band the thread initially revolved around so maybe it could just be locked down. Since it keeps getting resurrected.

Hopefully my prior reply was not against forum protocal - it was only intended to clarify, not argue a world-view or position.

I'll go read the forum rules so I get the line straight....

[edpal]

Salemenster, I think we should stop. You actually ARE starting to put down particular groups and expressing political and religious views/opinions which comes close to a religious topic/debate or very close.....I think that is a big part of the line we should never cross. Let's let this one rest.
Peace,
Ed

I am unsubscribing to the thread.

[Salamenster]

Originally Posted by edpal

Gee wiz, I'm not going to get myself banned by responding. I'll only clarify something you obviously misunderstood to the utmost degree. We don't use pop music(actually mid-hard rock) as religious music. Music is only religious music if you are a person with religious beliefs. Otherwise it means nothing. We use rock music as a stepping stone, a business card, a handshake of greeting for those who are not religious and are suspect of religious types, of any faith. Sometimes the best thing that comes out of our gigs is we get a chance to answer someone's questions about how to get from point A to point B. It's not a bait & switch either.
http://www.reverbnation.com/nailsofg...one-in-me-clip

Ok, maybe this will get me slapped(hopefull not banned) - We do this because many will never be comfortable or accepted at an organized House of Worship. The reason is in the Parable of the Prodigal Son: the real problem is the older brother who won't accept his younger, wayward brother back. That might be you, it has probably been me at times.

Okay, I believe and I'm religious. So all music I play/write is religious music? And if atheists do a cover of, let's say, 'amazing grace' the song is suddenly not religious anymore? It could be that I still don't understand what you're saying. Being a Dutchie on an American forum is very hard from time to time.

And (this is the last time I'm repeating this) I DO accept your views. I just disagree with it. But YOU should believe whatever you want to believe! To me, it feels like you're trying to convince to your point of view. In that case, it's you who's not accepting me. You should totally do that, by the way. I don't care. The fact that you disagree doesn't mean you do not accept.

[Salamenster]

Originally Posted by edpal

Salemenster, I think we should stop. You actually ARE starting to put down particular groups and expressing political and religious views/opinions which comes close to a religious topic/debate or very close.....I think that is a big part of the line we should never cross. Let's let this one rest.
Peace,
Ed

I am unsubscribing to the thread.

Good idea, me too. Let's not give the moderators a wrong impression. This actually the first time I got into this type of argument here, so I'll hope they'll be merciful on me.

No hard feelings, bro. Peace be with you too.

[NWB]

Originally Posted by edpal

We believe that by using the mediums of contemporary Christian & secular music in a non-threatening environment, the unchurched will be more receptive to the message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

I've never heard the term, "the unchurched" before.

Sounds like a pretty good band name.

[jive1]

Looks like the original topic has been resolved, and derailed into a religious discussion which is not allowed.

We're done here.