Equal Pay Split, What Are Your Thoughts? - Page 16

modulusman · #**301** 01-09-2013, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bluewine

I don't really know, I forget. It might be from The Acme PA Company, that might be the brand and I think we have model RD -1000.

Blue

Never heard of it.

How can anyone who has played with a band for a year not know what PA gear you are using.

modulusman · #**302** 01-09-2013, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by the yeti

it sounds like you're getting awfully close to that to me. or someone in your band is. maybe not 20, but getting close i bet.

My guess is it is low budget gear worth maybe 5k.

JumboJack · #**303** 01-09-2013, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by modulusman

My guess is it is low budget gear worth maybe 5k.

But there's 32 channels!

pushbuttonfour · #**304** 01-09-2013, 08:05 PM

so it seems like no one here thinks a guitarist/singer/writer/band leader should get paid more than a side guitarist who does none of the aforementioned things except play?

Also, my band is still in the garageband phase (no gigs yet), but it's with some of my good friends, so I would much rather take less pay than jeopardize a friendship by looking greedy.

the yeti · #**305** 01-09-2013, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pushbuttonfour

so it seems like no one here thinks a guitarist/singer/writer/band leader should get paid more than a side guitarist who does none of the aforementioned things except play?

Also, my band is still in the garageband phase (no gigs yet), but it's with some of my good friends, so I would much rather take less pay than jeopardize a friendship by looking greedy.

if you're writing songs you're realistically most likely not gonna have to worry too much about dividing the money. there are exceptions of course, hopefully you'll be one.

pushbuttonfour · #**306** 01-09-2013, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by the yeti

if you're writing songs you're realistically most likely not gonna have to worry too much about dividing the money. there are exceptions of course, hopefully you'll be one.

so you're saying the songwriter will usually get more?

bassbully · #**307** 01-09-2013, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by modulusman

Never heard of it.

How can anyone who has played with a band for a year not know what PA gear you are using.

I have been in my band 4 years and I don't what PA gear we use.

Johnny DeVille · #**308** 01-09-2013, 08:34 PM

We are a 4 piece. I do all the booking. We split it 5 ways and I take 2 cuts for the booking hassle. Standing offer for WHOEVER books the gig gets a double cut. My brothers and sisters have not booked us yet.

I own the PA and upgrade/add from time to time out of pocket. I consider that just a means of ensuring I don;t have to hunt for a band with a PA.

My brothers and sisters are fine with this. They all help load in and out of practice space at my place. My brothers even help plug it all in competently. And roll cables within my relaxed OCD spec. I am getting mellow in my old age.

Booking is a hassle. I would love to be hired to play guitar or bass and sing. OK I can;t sing and play bass yet. I would love to pay another band member double for booking.

Hey dude, show up here and play at 9. Help set up and tear down. Call me anytime !

fdeck · #**309** 01-09-2013, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pushbuttonfour

so you're saying the songwriter will usually get more?

I think the implication was that there would be no money to split -- a sort of inside joke about bands with original repertoire.

Lots of folks have indicated in this thread that they don't expect equal pay. I don't. As a sideman, I expect to earn the "going rate" for sidemen. I don't even know how much the bandleader gets paid.

Passinwind · #**310** 01-09-2013, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by modulusman

Never heard of it.

How can anyone who has played with a band for a year not know what PA gear you are using.

Runs off my iPad like a champ...

stephenleejp · #**311** 01-09-2013, 08:46 PM

Trio > 400 - 500 > the front man brings all the PA and books the gigs... I want to pay him more!

pushbuttonfour · #**312** 01-09-2013, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by fdeck

I think the implication was that there would be no money to split -- a sort of inside joke about bands with original repertoire.

Lots of folks have indicated in this thread that they don't expect equal pay. I don't. As a sideman, I expect to earn the "going rate" for sidemen. I don't even know how much the bandleader gets paid.

oh, of course

well I can always hope!

smogg · #**313** 01-09-2013, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pushbuttonfour

so it seems like no one here thinks a guitarist/singer/writer/band leader should get paid more than a side guitarist who does none of the aforementioned things except play?

Also, my band is still in the garageband phase (no gigs yet), but it's with some of my good friends, so I would much rather take less pay than jeopardize a friendship by looking greedy.

Not necessarily so,
this thread is about $400 a gig COVER bands. Just because a guitarist can sing does not automatically make him the band leader. There is no writing in this situation because it's covers.

For example, for the project I'm currently in we are all equal partners in the venture. There is no band leader per say and no one person does all the work. So we split pay evenly. We are all experienced players that share a similar set of goals for the project.

We were not friends prior to meeting each other musically, but if course a sense of comradery does develop over time. We collectively share the responsibilities of running and maintaining our band and we all get an equal share. Greed is not an issue and egos are checked at the door.

This works well for us at our stage of the journey. To try to compare our situation to a start up originals project or a well established non bar band (ie: corporate type gigging bands) is unrealistic at best. Yes we do occasional shows that pay well but our main gigs are regular weekend bar gigs. No one feels a need to take more than an equal share. As I said it works for us and as always YMMV.

bluewine · #**314** 01-09-2013, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by stephenleejp

Trio > 400 - 500 > the front man brings all the PA and books the gigs... I want to pay him more!

Your very generous.

However I think some forget that their compensation/ financial value is not just about the single gig. My value is tied to a life's investment to playing.

Blue

pushbuttonfour · #**315** 01-09-2013, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by smogg

Not necessarily so,
this thread is about $400 a gig COVER bands. Just because a guitarist can sing does not automatically make him the band leader. There is no writing in this situation because it's covers.

For example, for the project I'm currently in we are all equal partners in the venture. There is no band leader per say and no one person does all the work. So we split pay evenly. We are all experienced players that share a similar set of goals for the project.

We were not friends prior to meeting each other musically, but if course a sense of comradery does develop over time. We collectively share the responsibilities of running and maintaining our band and we all get an equal share. Greed is not an issue and egos are checked at the door.

This works well for us at our stage of the journey. To try to compare our situation to a start up originals project or a well established non bar band (ie: corporate type gigging bands) is unrealistic at best. Yes we do occasional shows that pay well but our main gigs are regular weekend bar gigs. No one feels a need to take more than an equal share. As I said it works for us and as always YMMV.

oh, it didn't say in the thread title so I assumed it was for all bands. I can see how the pay would be much less of an issue with cover bands.

bluewine · #**316** 01-09-2013, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by modulusman

Never heard of it.

How can anyone who has played with a band for a year not know what PA gear you are using.

You never heard of The Acme PA Company?

I guess you haven't seen many Road Runner cartoons.

Blue

bluewine · #**317** 01-09-2013, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pushbuttonfour

so it seems like no one here thinks a guitarist/singer/writer/band leader should get paid more than a side guitarist who does none of the aforementioned things except play?

Also, my band is still in the garageband phase (no gigs yet), but it's with some of my good friends, so I would much rather take less pay than jeopardize a friendship by looking greedy.

When you start making money friendship may take on a new definition.

Blue

pushbuttonfour · #**318** 01-09-2013, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bluewine

When you start making money friendship may take on a new definition.

Blue

I was afraid of that. I guess I should cross that bridge when (and if) I come to it

smogg · #**319** 01-09-2013, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pushbuttonfour

oh, it didn't say in the thread title so I assumed it was for all bands. I can see how the pay would be much less of an issue with cover bands.

Yes, the dynamics in an all originals project can be quite different than a cover band. Also dynamics within each sub set can be dramatically different as well. IE: side man vs vested equal partners vs percentage partners vs hired guns/subs, etc. etc.
the business end of da business can be a real pain sometimes.

Good luck on your project. Have fun with it.

pushbuttonfour · #**320** 01-09-2013, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by smogg

Yes, the dynamics in an all originals project can be quite different than a cover band. Also dynamics within each sub set can be dramatically different as well. IE: side man vs vested equal partners vs percentage partners vs hired guns/subs, etc. etc.
the business end of da business can be a real pain sometimes.

Good luck on your project. Have fun with it.

thanks, I am