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01-11-2013, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by MarkMgibson  Man, you wanna live in Australia - you can't play a gig without some fool yelling out "play some accadacca". I despise AC/DC, and I generally refuse to play it (though on occasion I've been forced to yield). | Man if the worst thing I ever had to play was AC/DC I'd be thrilled lol |
01-11-2013, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by MarkMgibson I haven't played a venue in years that didn't have it's own P.A. I thought you yanks were ahead of us?  | Originals club yes, they usually provide a pa. Cover clubs generally don't. Not in Milwaukee.
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01-11-2013, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by MarkMgibson I thought you yanks were ahead of us? | We're backing up as fast as possible!!!   |
01-11-2013, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by inthevelvet Man if the worst thing I ever had to play was AC/DC I'd be thrilled lol | Not if you live in Australia. AC/DC is quite literally played to death here - you can't turn on the damn radio without one of their songs coming on, and at least 8 people die every month because they heard "Back In Black" one too many times, and their heads exploded (I witnessed it once, and it wasn't pretty).
My one hope is that when I die, God hates AC/DC as much as I do, otherwise eternity will be no different than purgatory. Actually, I reckon we should get a choice between heaven and hell based on the music (God and Satan could provide playlists, and we could choose accordingly). |
01-11-2013, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by bluewine Originals club yes, they usually provide a pa. Cover clubs generally don't. Not in Milwaukee.
Blue | Interesting. That used to be the case here too, but in the last 20 years, even smaller bars seem to understand the value in having their own P.A system. If nothing else, it saves a hell of a lot of hassle.
Mind you, it might have something to do with Poker machines coming in around the same time. Even small pubs make a lot of money from those horrible things, so I guess a P.A is small potatoes.
Given the choice, I'd sooner lose the poker machines and haul in my own P.A. system. Poker machines and other in-house gambling is truly horrible - it's taken the soul of many fine live music venues. |
01-11-2013, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JumboJack What does one do at the 400.00 level when no one in the band owns a PA? Or if the PA owner in your current band quits? Does his replacement have to own one to join the band? And can only join the band if he agrees to let the band use his PA for free? | I quote myself and ask this question again since no one addressed it. It is a plausable situation.... 
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01-11-2013, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by JumboJack I quote myself and ask this question again since no one addressed it. It is a plausable situation.... | Your screwed, plain and simple.
I have always wanted to purchase a new pa, but I don't want to store it, set it up or lug it to gigs.
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01-11-2013, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JumboJack What does one do at the 400.00 level when no one in the band owns a PA? Or if the PA owner in your current band quits? Does his replacement have to own one to join the band? And can only join the band if he agrees to let the band use his PA for free? | You can rent one, you can buy a cheap one on CL, your band could be an instrumental group and not need vocals, you can aim to only play places that have a house PA, etc... You have options. |
01-11-2013, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jmattbassplaya You can rent one, you can buy a cheap one on CL, your band could be an instrumental group and not need vocals, you can aim to only play places that have a house PA, etc... You have options. | If your a cover band in Milwaukee you won't find a club that provides a PA.
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01-11-2013, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bluewine If your a cover band in Milwaukee you won't find a club that provides a PA.
Blue | By comparison, most of the only places any band would really want to play in Knoxville already have a house PA. Different cities are different. At the $400 level though, I really doubt you'd need a PA for more than vocals. As such, you could realistically get away with a really cheap couple hundred dollar one. |
01-11-2013, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jmattbassplaya By comparison, most of the only places any band would really want to play in Knoxville already have a house PA. Different cities are different. At the $400 level though, I really doubt you'd need a PA for more than vocals. As such, you could realistically get away with a really cheap couple hundred dollar one. | Depends on the culture of the band. Were not looking to just "get away " with cheap sound. We carry and present with a full PA. It's how we distinguish ourselves from the other $400.00 a night bands.
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01-11-2013, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bluewine Your screwed, plain and simple.
I have always wanted to purchase a new pa, but I don't want to store it, set it up or lug it to gigs.
Blue | But it's ok to make someone else do it week in and week out for free???. 
So many contradictions... "It's only 400.00" "Too little to bother to pay the PA owner extra" "We use only a full PA" "Just rent one"
If the sucker err guy that owns the PA in a band that is not paying him for using it leaves then the remaining members share is going to be a lot smaller if they have to rent one....
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01-11-2013, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JumboJack But it's ok to make someone else do it week in and week out for free. | It's not exactly free, put it this way. The arrangement fits our business model. Everybody's happy.
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01-11-2013, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JumboJack
If the sucker err guy that owns the PA in a band that is not paying him for using it leaves then the remaining members share is going to be a lot smaller if they have to rent one....
| Remember, I'm not sure who owns the pa.
Btw, the PA is all Carvin.
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01-11-2013, 02:13 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Florida | | Valid question and I'll preface by saying it depends , as the chances of only one guy in the band owning PA gear are slim in the circles I'm in.
Most of the working cover guys here in my neck of the woods understand that the local bars will not provide PA. So in turn many of us own some sort of PA gear. It's really a non issue for many of us. At the risk of repeating myself, again I ask "How much PA do you really need to play rooms that only hold a few hundred people?" as that in your usual $400 gig. Quote:
Originally Posted by JumboJack What does one do at the 400.00 level when no one in the band owns a PA? Or if the PA owner in your current band quits? Does his replacement have to own one to join the band? And can only join the band if he agrees to let the band use his PA for free? | Quote:
Originally Posted by JumboJack I quote myself and ask this question again since no one addressed it. It is a plausable situation.... |
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01-11-2013, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bluewine It's not exactly free, put it this way. The arrangement fits our business model. Everybody's happy.
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Actually, if everyone is getting an equal split, and only one person is bringing the PA, that's the very definition of doing it for free. Just because everybody's happy doesn't mean it's fair. |
01-11-2013, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Pacman Actually, if everyone is getting an equal split, and only one person is bringing the PA, that's the very definition of doing it for free. Just because everybody's happy doesn't mean it's fair. | This thread surprised me by how many people not only freeload off of the guy buying and bringing the PA and booking the gigs, but seem to think they are entitled to a free ride.
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01-11-2013, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by lfmn16 This thread surprised me by how many people not only freeload off of the guy buying and bringing the PA and booking the gigs, but seem to think they are entitled to a free ride. | Until you own one, maintain it, haul it and set it up, tear it down, etc...it's not possible to understand how much work...and expense...is involved in handling a full pa. It's easy to disrespect that which you know nothing...or little...about. And people who do it for free are suckers IMO... ...I own one, capable of carrying the whole band, which we use for rehearsals. No way in hell I'd be dragging around that thing for free. In fact, the $300 charged locally for renting a full pa for a gig still wouldn't have me doing all the work involved.
As far as booking gigs, that's the business side of things, something I want nothing to do with. I'm in the business world 5 days a week, and want my musical side to be about playing music. Still, I respect that it takes effort, not to mention some expense, to promote the band and sell it to potential clients. Those who do that deserve to be compensated...at least somewhat...for their time and efforts. Otherwise: no gigs: no money. So I would have no problem with whomever books the gig taking a %age for their efforts. Our band leader does not, but if he did, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
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01-11-2013, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Pacman Actually, if everyone is getting an equal split, and only one person is bringing the PA, that's the very definition of doing it for free. Just because everybody's happy doesn't mean it's fair. | No its not fair. I agree with that.
When did life become fair?
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01-11-2013, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by lfmn16 This thread surprised me by how many people not only freeload off of the guy buying and bringing the PA and booking the gigs, but seem to think they are entitled to a free ride. | Your forgetting about the fact that were dealing with very little money here.
I don't see where anyone here thinks their entitled to anything.
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