getting paid at the end of the night

[bluewine]

Originally Posted by guy n. cognito

You should pay them what they are owed. While they should have made arrangements for their pay, that's still no excuse for you to take it.

Did someone give the OPs band money and was told a portion of the money was specifically for the band that left? Or was the OPs band given a specific cut thats was ear marked for these guys that left.

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[Luke19Boarder]

Originally Posted by themacinator

I think this is easy. You give them half of what was owed from your money and the name and contact number for the other band to get the rest. Whether the other band pays them the other half is not of your concern.

You will have done the right thing by yourself and by your band. You certainly don't want to take a show with that first band in the future but you shouldn't tell them that either. No mention of being unprofessional or not sticking around to get paid.

Pay them and move on. The scenery is always better from the high road.

I disagree with not telling the band that they were being unprofessional. I would think that the high road would include giving out sound advice to someone that clearly needs it.

[BrotherEarl]

Originally Posted by Munjibunga

Ridiculous. They were done with the gig when they got off the stage. They have no obligation to hang around. They should have collected their money before they split, though.

Funny, every job that I've had in my life I left with my last paycheck in my pocket. Only once did someone try the "We'll mail you your last" thinking it is something that I would stand for it.

No, the opening band did not make arrangements with the venue or the other band. Any money they get should be out of the goodness of your heart and not a penny more. And IMHO not paying them would be the perfect incident for them to realize that they need to stick around or make arrangements.

It's a tough lesson but it has to be learned eventually.

[Dean N]

Originally Posted by BrotherEarl

No, the opening band did not make arrangements with the venue or the other band. Any money they get should be out of the goodness of your heart and not a penny more. And IMHO not paying them would be the perfect incident for them to realize that they need to stick around or make arrangements.

It's a tough lesson but it has to be learned eventually.

This is a great way to rationalize taking money that someone else has earned. The OP should simply want to do the right thing and make sure the other band gets what's rightfully theirs. Would you actually rather rationalize keeping someone's money by arguing "they're clueless or stupid, I'm going to teach them a lesson I think they need" and steal their money? That behavior is lazy and reprehensible.

Call the band, tell them to come get their money, and give them common-sense advice on getting paid.

[fenderslaper]

Originally Posted by Dean N

This is a great way to rationalize taking money that someone else has earned. The OP should simply want to do the right thing and make sure the other band gets what's rightfully theirs. Would you actually rather rationalize keeping someone's money by arguing "they're clueless or stupid, I'm going to teach them a lesson I think they need" and steal their money? That behavior is lazy and reprehensible.

Call the band, tell them to come get their money, and give them common-sense advice on getting paid.

Well said. It's never right to steal.

[Deedubs]

so heres the latest. i now personally contacted the angry bl myself and offered him any or all of my cut of the pay. i also explained the situation a little and asked him to make sure in the future he has his money or makes arrangements to get his money at a later date before his band leaves any venue. i also asked him not to tell the rest of my band about my offer to him and his band. the reason being is a "loyalty thing" i have to my band. they (my band)feel that we did nothing wrong, and i agree to an extent, but i also dont want to have any bad vibes, and am willing to accept the fact that they (the unpaid band) were culeless about collecting money at the end of the night or making arrangments to collect at a later date. i feel much better now, and if he decides to collect my whole cut, his hand would be completly paid back from my band. at the end of the day i felt sorry for the first band, and am willing to give up my whole pay to clear any bad karma. thanks for all the support and advise. i love being apart of a community that cares, and will shot straight with me weather they agree with me or not.

[fenderslaper]

Good on ya Deedubs.

[jive1]

Originally Posted by Dean N

This is a great way to rationalize taking money that someone else has earned. The OP should simply want to do the right thing and make sure the other band gets what's rightfully theirs. Would you actually rather rationalize keeping someone's money by arguing "they're clueless or stupid, I'm going to teach them a lesson I think they need" and steal their money? That behavior is lazy and reprehensible.

I agree with you on the whole "teaching them a lesson" thing. If you could actually use that as a reasonable justification, you can do anything wrong to teach someone a lesson. I could go around punching children in the face, and say "Those parents should keep an eye on their children, I'm just teaching them a lesson". Or if you borrow money from someone and then refuse to pay them back saying "That'll teach them a lesson for trusting someone like me for paying it pack".

Almost as infinite as human stupidity is our genius and creativity to rationalize doing something that is wrong.

[Southpaw5]

My .02

the bar may have paid the only 2 bands they felt earned it.

After all, The opener was late and unprofessional,the bar may have done this intentionally and the band never EARNED anything.

[Munjibunga]

Originally Posted by Deedubs

so heres the latest. i now personally contacted the angry bl myself and offered him any or all of my cut of the pay. i also explained the situation a little and asked him to make sure in the future he has his money or makes arrangements to get his money at a later date before his band leaves any venue. i also asked him not to tell the rest of my band about my offer to him and his band. the reason being is a "loyalty thing" i have to my band. they (my band)feel that we did nothing wrong, and i agree to an extent, but i also dont want to have any bad vibes, and am willing to accept the fact that they (the unpaid band) were culeless about collecting money at the end of the night or making arrangments to collect at a later date. i feel much better now, and if he decides to collect my whole cut, his hand would be completly paid back from my band. at the end of the day i felt sorry for the first band, and am willing to give up my whole pay to clear any bad karma. thanks for all the support and advise. i love being apart of a community that cares, and will shot straight with me weather they agree with me or not.

Originally Posted by fenderslaper

Good on ya Deedubs.

Wrong. Now you're hiding something from your band that will come back and bite you. The correct thing to do was first, acknowledge that your band (and the other one that took the money) did do something wrong and, second, convince the rest of your band that the right thing to do is give them a third of your band's money. Then talk to the other band and convince them to do the same thing. You're all thinking like a bunch of junior-highschoolers, and not honest ones at that.

[Downunderwonder]

I wouldn't be covering for the bandmates either. If you follow that line of reason to the full you would be cuttting the other band a check for their full share.

I appreciate that you want everyone to go away happy but like Munji says, it's behind the back behavior like that which will come around to haunt you.

At least try to convince the others to do same as you and give over their thirds.

[Dean N]

Originally Posted by Munjibunga

Wrong. Now you're hiding something from your band that will come back and bite you. The correct thing to do was first, acknowledge that your band (and the other one that took the money) did do something wrong and, second, convince the rest of your band that the right thing to do is give them a third of your band's money. Then talk to the other band and convince them to do the same thing. You're all thinking like a bunch of junior-highschoolers, and not honest ones at that.

This.

[bassmonkeee]

This is why you shouldn't take advice on an internet forum where people are really generous with other peoples' cash.

Here are the simple facts:

1) You didn't put the gig together.
2) You were not in charge of the money coming from the bar
3 You weren't hired as a bank for the first band


The first band has a problem with the bar. they didn't have a representative at the time to get paid. Oh, well. Sucks to be them. Did you ask them why they didn't stick around? Was it a legitimate emergency? If not, the onus is on them to get paid. If they set up the gig, they should have known how to get paid BY THE CLUB. In ZERO cases will a bar give two different bands half of the money owed to someone else. They would simply say either a) Tell Band A they can come get their money, or b) Who wants to give Band A their cash?

If the bar calls the bandleader and says, "Hey, we screwed up. Give that band 1/3rd of the money or you can't play here again" THEN you say, "Okay, they screwed up. They admitted it. They are a good contact to have." Hell, you can work it up with the bar to say, "Hey, we'll pay them the cash if you give us another gig soon."

There is absolutely no reason for you to make this right on your own because other people (namely the opening band and the bar who shouldn't have giving out other people's money).





But, to give them cash, take it all on yourself and want to keep it from your band, to boot? Weak. That behavior is not an invitation for good karma--it's an invitation to have people take advantage of you.

[bassmonkeee]

Originally Posted by Munjibunga

Ridiculous. They were done with the gig when they got off the stage. They have no obligation to hang around. They should have collected their money before they split, though.

At the very least, they should have made arrangements of some variety with someone there be it other bands, or the bar. They didn't. Unless this was their very first gig at the age of 17, this is inexcusable behavior.

As for leaving, that's cool. The reason to stay is if you want to make connections with the audience or other bands. They didn't. If they had, they might have gotten paid, though.

[DwaynieAD]

The money isn't yours. You stole it. end of story.

[Deedubs]

Originally Posted by Munjibunga

Wrong. Now you're hiding something from your band that will come back and bite you. The correct thing to do was first, acknowledge that your band (and the other one that took the money) did do something wrong and, second, convince the rest of your band that the right thing to do is give them a third of your band's money. Then talk to the other band and convince them to do the same thing. You're all thinking like a bunch of junior-highschoolers, and not honest ones at that.

i disagree. i asked my band to give them 1/3 of our money already. they said screw them. i was still bothered by it so i offered them my money on my own, because i wanted to, and didnt really want permission, or force their hand. i sleep well at night, and if my band finds out they will understand once i explain it. if not oh well. i feel i did the right thing and im cool with that. so your opinion is yours, i see your point, but everthing isnt always black and white. at the end of the day i want to be true to myself and not force my band to share my opinion. that sir could bite me in the a** as well. good day.

[plankspanker13]

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[Munjibunga]

Originally Posted by Deedubs

i disagree. i asked my band to give them 1/3 of our money already. they said screw them. i was still bothered by it so i offered them my money on my own, because i wanted to, and didnt really want permission, or force their hand. i sleep well at night, and if my band finds out they will understand once i explain it. if not oh well. i feel i did the right thing and im cool with that. so your opinion is yours, i see your point, but everthing isnt always black and white. at the end of the day i want to be true to myself and not force my band to share my opinion. that sir could bite me in the a** as well. good day.

OK, if that's the kind of people you want to hang with, more power to you.

[Kmonk]

I never leave without getting paid and don't know anyone else who does. If the band left early, they probably didn't expect to get paid. You should probably ask the venue if they agreed to pay the opening band. If they did, you and the other band should find a way to contact them and give them their money. If not, don't worry about it.

[bolophonic]

It sounds to me like the opening band knew they weren't a band worth paying and split. I have never screwed another band over, but I have seen plenty of super-amateur bands who were self aware enough to not expect a full third of the money after arriving late, bumbling around, and compromising someone else's show. What kind of bands are these, anyway? Unless these were 30 minute hardcore sets, a three-band bill is basically code for: low pay gig. How many people came to the show?

I don't know what the OP's agreement was, but I would lay everything out clearly next time. And start hanging out with cooler dudes.