Going Nowhere Fast - Page 5

xgator4u · #81 01-27-2013, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bluewine

And I believe we have members giving advice that are not in a band and have never been in a band.

Possibly. That is where creditability come in.

mellowinman · #82 01-27-2013, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by NawBabyNaw

Well a 30 or 40 year gap surely is an inconsistency.

If you are offering advice on band management based on "having played in bands for the last 40 years" one could expect the advice to be well reasoned and credible and based on the expertise acquired over a 4 decade time span.

If however, a 30 year break was taken (not unreasonable due to work, family etc.) the the advice provided would be judged differently, as that of a newcomer restarting a playing career and learning along the way.

If as the OP states he is here to assist younger and/or less experienced musicians in the dynamics of band management the credibility of the OP is surely of primary importance is it not?

No one really knows anything. If you are getting advice from an internet forum, you should only be using it as points of view to consider, and weigh the information yourself. I don't care if someone on this forum has never left the bedroom; they may still offer a suggestion that helps me.

Ultimately, young people getting out into the world are going to learn a lot of things that no one on this forum is going to help them with.

Plus, a lot of posters here have a pack mentality, and tend to gang up on people. I don't think cowardice is a particularly good lesson for young people trying to get out and play.

Rock and roll is for the strong.

NawBabyNaw · #83 01-27-2013, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mellowinman

No one really knows anything. If you are getting advice from an internet forum, you should only be using it as points of view to consider, and weigh the information yourself. I don't care if someone on this forum has never left the bedroom; they may still offer a suggestion that helps me.

Ultimately, young people getting out into the world are going to learn a lot of things that no one on this forum is going to help them with.

Plus, a lot of posters here have a pack mentality, and tend to gang up on people. I don't think cowardice is a particularly good lesson for young people trying to get out and play.

Rock and roll is for the strong.

Again, it comes down to a simple question, 40 years of consistently in bands or back after 30 years off.

As you state "you should only be using it as points of view to consider". The credibility of the source of that advice allows one to make a reasoned judgement about how one should consider/use the advice offered.

The OP could answer this question easily, yet chooses not to do so. Why?

**Pacman** · #84 01-27-2013, 09:41 AM

It also speaks to one of our rules here - to represent yourself honestly. We've built a nice place here at Talkbass, with a reputation for being able to get good advice from a wide variety of musicians. Not representing yourself truthfully degrades that credibility as well, which is why there are rules against it.

fmoore200 · #85 01-27-2013, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mellowinman

As I mentioned, in 1936, I was a member of Muddy Waters' first band, which reminds me of a story.

I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Give me five bees for a quarter, you'd say. Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...

Awesome +1, 000, 000

I love Simpsons references, the older the better!

**mjac28** · #86 01-27-2013, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bluewine

The purpose of this thread is to hear from those of you that are stuck in musically undesirable situations. And get advice and suggestions on ways to move forward.

1. Can't get out of the bedroom.

2. My band can't seem to get gigs.

3. My band does not have a clear mission.

4. My location is bad for opportunities to play in a band.

5. My band has ran it's course and we're out of gas.

6. I'm ready to move to a higher caliber band.

7. Can't decide if the whole band thing is for me or not.

Blue

This sounds like my son wrote it? Blue my friend I think toward the end most of the Beatles could have wrote at least half of that list take some time off I think you will get some energy.

fmoore200 · #87 01-27-2013, 10:09 AM

In all honesty, I give blue a ton of credit. He never takes the bait. Whether he's been in the game or not, and for however long it's been is def a question, but the amount of hazing he gets around here and never retaliates is amazing.

**mjac28** · #88 01-27-2013, 10:16 AM

I have to start reading every single post because I must have missed something? I feel like the guy at a Democratic convention wearing a pink elephant.

NawBabyNaw · #89 01-27-2013, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by fmoore200

In all honesty, I give blue a ton of credit. He never takes the bait. Whether he's been in the game or not, and for however long it's been is def a question, but the amount of hazing he gets around here and never retaliates is amazing.

To be clear I have no wish to "haze" anyone, inconsistencies were pointed out previously in this thread by others, I asked a simple question to the OP to clarify. The reply unfortunately was off topic, disingenuous and dissembling.

Why would one retaliate? John 8:32 - "the truth will set you free'.

xgator4u · #90 01-27-2013, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NawBabyNaw

John 8:32 - "the truth will set you free'.

I believe that the truth is what we are after here.
Of course YMMV.

boomboom4200 · #91 01-27-2013, 10:51 AM

great topic,I am in a band here in ct that plays maybey 10 times a year,decent size shows,but I really feel like I need to play more,as that is when I am happiest,I have been going to auditions that are just,horrible,false advertising on thier end,I am looking to join a working band,or a serious potential gigging band,these pepole say stuff like "bass player needed for gigging band blah blah,blah,and it ends up being a couple 40 year olds in a garage drinking beer and going nowhere,no connections,no contacts in the club/bar venue scene.Now that is all fine and well,playing in the garage and drinking beer are some of the best times I have ever had,But I have had a taste of playing in front of 2 or 3000 people crowds,and just want more,not neccesarilly that big,but whaaaHHH!!!!!!!!,I geuss there are things I can do,steps I can take if I really wanted to take that next step,bare with me folks,Im just venting.....

**mjac28** · #92 01-27-2013, 10:52 AM

Yep

bluewine · #93 01-27-2013, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by NawBabyNaw

Not really the point but an excellent attempt at changing the focus.

YOU stated you have played in bands consistently for the past 40 years?

YOU have also stated you made a comeback after 30 years away.

Simple question-which it is?

Thanks.

It's been 40 years of small bars & clubs, probably more.

Initially my posts were rather aggressive, questionable and self important by design.

I have people here on the forum that have figured out where I'm coming from and that I mean no harm.

I can be myself now.

I'm a friend not a foe.

Blue

bluewine · #94 01-27-2013, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by boomboom4200

great topic,I am in a band here in ct that plays maybey 10 times a year,decent size shows,but I really feel like I need to play more,as that is when I am happiest,I have been going to auditions that are just,horrible,false advertising on thier end,I am looking to join a working band,or a serious potential gigging band,these pepole say stuff like "bass player needed for gigging band blah blah,blah,and it ends up being a couple 40 year olds in a garage drinking beer and going nowhere,no connections,no contacts in the club/bar venue scene.Now that is all fine and well,playing in the garage and drinking beer are some of the best times I have ever had,But I have had a taste of playing in front of 2 or 3000 people crowds,and just want more,not neccesarilly that big,but whaaaHHH!!!!!!!!,I geuss there are things I can do,steps I can take if I really wanted to take that next step,bare with me folks,Im just venting.....

I like where your heads at, 10 gigs a year wouldn't be close to fitting my needs as a bass guitarist either.

It sounds like your going to be looking for an established band with a history of solid bookings and good start on 2013.

Booking histories are easily confirmed if the band has a decent web presence. After a phone conversation you can determine if a band is " for real" and decide to audition or not.

These opportunities are not easy to find and land but I think your enthusiasm for gigging will bring you success.

Blue

bluewine · #95 01-27-2013, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by NawBabyNaw

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Originally Posted by bluewine
I return to the stage after a 30 years The Not Worth Remembering Band plays at:

Park Place: 1915 Branch St,
Milwaukee, WI
Ph#414-836-8734
11:30pm

Power chords and power vocals will be flying through the air with the greatest of ease!

It's the daring antics of NWR on the flying trapeze!
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You state you were born in 1954, so 30 years would be half your life, seems like a fairly significant lapse in memory.

Such a long time ago and yes 30 years even at my advanced age would be significant.

However, I am maintaining my 45 years of being in the local Rock Band business.

As for the post, it was a long time ago and probably not the best approach or choice of words.

What baffles me is, are some of you expecting me to concede? If you are, I get where your coming from, but that's not going to happen.

Respect

Blue

bluewine · #96 01-27-2013, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mellowinman

No one really knows anything. If you are getting advice from an internet forum, you should only be using it as points of view to consider, and weigh the information yourself. I don't care if someone on this forum has never left the bedroom; they may still offer a suggestion that helps me.

Ultimately, young people getting out into the world are going to learn a lot of things that no one on this forum is going to help them with.

Plus, a lot of posters here have a pack mentality, and tend to gang up on people. I don't think cowardice is a particularly good lesson for young people trying to get out and play.

Rock and roll is for the strong.

+1

Blue

bluewine · #97 01-27-2013, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mjac28

This sounds like my son wrote it? Blue my friend I think toward the end most of the Beatles could have wrote at least half of that list take some time off I think you will get some energy.

I not sure I understand your point, seems my thread is pretty active with some great points of view and stories.

Take time off? I'll have plenty of time for that when I'm dead.

Respect

Blue

**jive1** · #98 01-27-2013, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by mellowinman

I'll never understand people who act like internet relationships are somehow like real ones. Who cares if there are inconsistencies in someone's postings? Just move along, people.

I somewhat disagree. As the internet matures, you have more real online relationships. Heck, people get married to people they meet online.

I've met lots of TBers in person over the years, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I talk to some of them on the phone, and/or see them in real life. I have jammed with TBers in professional and informal situations. I have subbed for people on TB, and they have subbed for me. I have met TBers at their shows, and they have been to mine. I have bought from and sold to people on TB, as well as been part of some giveaways. I love when we have a get together, and there's dozens of TBers from the area hanging out and having fun. When RickBass or Chris A were sick, people on TB prayed for them, and when they passed we grieved as well. I know that there is actually people who care about others on this forum, and this is not an anonymous place.

For some the internet is an extension of their life and personality. For others, it's a substitute or an alternative. The reason why I prefer TB over many other online communities is that it actually tries to be a community beyond just the internet. In a community, there is accountability, and there is some of that on TB, which makes it a nicer and safer place to be. One of the reasons why many people rather buy and sell here rather than on E-bay or CL.

But as far as being harmless, ask Manti Teo and Notre Dame how a harmless a fictional internet persona can be. Ask anyone who has ever been ripped off on an internet sale how harmless misrepresenting yourself on the internet is.

bluewine · #99 01-27-2013, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by xgator4u

Possibly. That is where creditability come in.

Even for those not in bands or have never been in bands their comments, advice and opinions could have some relevance.

If it makes sense to me it's credible. I don't care if your in a band or not.

Blue

bluewine · #**100** 01-27-2013, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jive1

But as far as being harmless, ask Manti Teo and Notre Dame how a harmless a fictional internet persona can be. Ask anyone who has ever been ripped off on an internet sale how harmless misrepresenting yourself on the internet is.

I have to agree with jive. For example in this very thread, someone took it apon themselves to post personal information about me.

I don't like it, but there's nothing I can do about it.

Blue