Going Nowhere Fast

[bluewine]

All valid points, not mine but still very valid.

I say if you like my threads join in if not it won't hurt my feelings.

I wish I and others could come up with more meatier threads.

Blue

[drpepper]

Originally Posted by jlane72t

...did you buy a bass at age 15, form a high school band that had good times, then life got in the way and you didn't play in a working band for 30 years, and now in your mid 40s you got back into playing bass? If that's the scenario, there's certainly nothing wrong with that, goes on all the time.

Good point. It was one that I was trying to make but I'm sure wasn't express well and got lost in what else I had to say.

Yes. This seems to be a very common story here. It's pretty close to my own and one that I've seen repeated in a number of posts where "returning" bass players are looking for advice on gear or band management topics. Fact is, you're out of it for a while and the world changes some. A bit over 3 years ago, I was asking for people to share opinions about amps and basses, as I geared back up and then was looking for input on some gig matters as I got back out. I received warm welcomes back to playing and various opinions and bits of advice.

Not only is there nothing wrong with that scenario, the common theme of the returning bass player is one where people certainly can benefit from hearing about similar experiences. That opportunity is lost, on both sides, where someone feels the need to pose as something they're not.

[drpepper]

Originally Posted by fmoore200

Idk, I don't see it that way. Admittedly I don't follow blues threads all that closely, but the ones I have read he doesn't come off as argumentative.

He does repeat how many years he's been in the gigging scene, which I realize is a bit of a contentious subject around here but I think everyone already has formed their own opinion about whether they believe him or not so it seems like beating a dead horse and piling on after.. :banghead: :beer:

It's a matter of perspective. I notice your join date is in 2011. You may not have all of the info you need to make that judgement.

For people who were reading the forums regularly about three years ago, there were certain things you simply couldn't miss. It wasn't a matter of taking special interest or studying them; it was like having daily car wrecks on this subforum. You kind of couldn't look away.

In terms of you view of him as non-argumentative, I could be wrong, but I believe bluewine was suspended/banned for a period because of his treatment of others and the truth.

I do recognize and give him kudos when he colors inside the lines, and he has clearly made an effort to present his opinions as opinions more than he used to.

As far as some people viewing only this most recent version of bluewine and insisting that he's being treated unfairly, I also have a right to openly call BS when I see it.

Perspective.

[bluewine]

Originally Posted by drpepper

Not only is there nothing wrong with that scenario, the common theme of the returning bass player is one where people certainly can benefit from hearing about similar experiences. That opportunity is lost, on both sides, where someone feels the need to pose as something they're not.

I get where your coming from, no problem.

If anyone feels there's no benefit from my opinions or from those that contribute to my threads there are plenty of other interesting threads to participate in.

Blur

[drpepper]

Originally Posted by jlane72t

I should add, (a) I think this is a good thread topic, and (b) I think Blue often has worthwhile contributions to all kinds of discussions.

I try to stay out of this kinda stuff but man, it's just painful to watch your misguided "internet personality" in action.

Oh, also (c) "just ignore my posts if you don't agree with them" goes out the window when on a forum based completely on 'advice' you watch one of the most prolific posters constantly post misguided advice and derail otherwise valuable threads.

I definitely track with much of what you have to say, but IMO this isn't a particularly good thread topic. I see it as yet another monument to and symptom of that misguided internet personality.

I see it as a setup, not to make worthwhile contributions, but to have some kind of weird "ownership of a thread," by asking the questions and then answering them, mostly setting himself up as an authority with 45 (now) years a "working bassist, out there on the front lines." Yeah, um here's 7 or 8 questions people might ask...let's answer them. Really?

[drpepper]

Originally Posted by bluewine

If anyone feels there's no benefit from my opinions or from those that contribute to my threads there are plenty of other interesting threads to participate in.

And if anyone doesn't like being called out on lying, they can just stop posting

I have as much right to that as you do to tell anybody what they should or shouldn't read.

[jlane72t]

Originally Posted by drpepper

I see it as a setup, not to make worthwhile contributions, but to have some kind of weird "ownership of a thread," by asking the questions and then answering them, mostly setting himself up as an authority with 45 (now) years a "working bassist, out there on the front lines." Yeah, um here's 7 or 8 questions people might ask...let's answer them. Really?

Yeah but that's how Blue participates. Even threads he didn't start he usually jumps into a sort of moderator role, as if he is directing conversation in the room, regardless of if he was asked or not. It's his way of contributing and moving conversations along.

[bluewine]

Originally Posted by drpepper

And if anyone don't like being called out on lying, they can just stop posting

I have as much right to that as you do to tell anybody what they should or shouldn't read.

Hi Dr.Pepper,

I respect your opinion.

However, being called a lyer really doesn't bother me at all.

I think ignoring my threads is easier and better option.

The choice is yours.

Respect

Blue

[bluewine]

Originally Posted by drpepper

I see it as a setup, not to make worthwhile contributions, but to have some kind of weird "ownership of a thread," by asking the questions and then answering them, mostly setting himself up as an authority with 45 (now) years a "working bassist, out there on the front lines." Yeah, um here's 7 or 8 questions people might ask...let's answer them. Really?

I'm not an authority on anything. Most of my narratives are based on what I experience in bands and what I've learned from other tbers.

Sorry you feel that way.

Respect

Blue

[drpepper]

Originally Posted by bluewine

Hi Dr.Pepper,

I respect your opinion.

However, being called a lyer really doesn't bother me at all.

I think ignoring my threads is easier and better option.

The choice is yours.

Respect

Blue

I know this choice is mine. That's essentially what I was saying.

I don't care what you think with regard to what threads I choose to read or respond to.

And what exactly does respecting my opinion mean? From your actions, those just look like empty words.

[bluewine]

Originally Posted by drpepper

And what exactly does respecting my opinion mean? From your actions, those just look like empty words.

It means if your out there playing bass or involved in this tough business in anyway or any level, I'm passionate about it and care.

No empty words from me. I'm sincere and totally engaged in this.

Blue

[jlane72t]

If I may best explain this with a common Blueism -

"Neither of us are right or wrong; your definition of of 'empty words' and 'respect' and 'sincere' just differs from mine."

[bluewine]

Originally Posted by jlane72t

If I may best explain this with a common Blueism -

"Neither of us are right or wrong; your definition of of 'empty words' and 'respect' and 'sincere' just differs from mine."

Cool,

We're actually on the same page.

Blue

[drpepper]

Originally Posted by bluewine

Cool,

We're actually on the same page.

Blue

Merely recognizing that you can't stop someone else from saying or thinking what they want to say or think isn't respecting their opinions; it's simply recognizing a fundamental truth. Believing that all opinions are equally valid is simply believing something that isn't true. And neither of those things is respect.

You have a penchant for identifying and presenting things as rules of thumb, again, supposedly as lessons learned from your long experience on the front lines. You might say "If I audition for a band and there's a redheaded guitarist, I'll pass. That's quite literally a red flag. Redheaded guitarists play out of tune." This isn't globally true, and instead of coming from your broad experience, it comes from you happening across a redheaded guitarist who played out of tune one time.

Yes. Your usual tactic is to then say, "Well, it's my opinion." The problem is that referring to an objective matter that's false as an opinion doesn't change its objective reality and make it valid.

I'll respond for you...

Cool.

I respect your opinion.

Respect.

Blur

[bluewine]

Originally Posted by drpepper

Merely recognizing that you can't stop someone else from saying or thinking what they want to say or think isn't respecting their opinions; it's simply recognizing a fundamental truth. Believing that all opinions are equally valid is simply believing something that isn't true. And neither of those things is respect.

You have a penchant for identifying and presenting things as rules of thumb, again, supposedly as lessons learned from your long experience on the front lines. You might say "If I audition for a band and there's a redheaded guitarist, I'll pass. That's quite literally a red flag. Redheaded guitarists play out of tune." This isn't globally true, and instead of coming from your broad experience, it comes from you happening across a redheaded guitarist who played out of tune one time.

Yes. Your usual tactic is to then say, "Well, it's my opinion." The problem is that referring to an objective matter that's false as an opinion doesn't change its objective reality and make it valid.

I'll respond for you...

Cool.

I respect your opinion.

Respect.

Blue

No, I was going to say it's a very astute comment. However, I'm really not that important.

Blue

[jlane72t]

Originally Posted by drpepper

Believing that all opinions are equally valid is simply believing something that isn't true. And neither of those things is respect.

There is no point in debating with someone who believes that "accepted definitions of commonly-used words" and "actual proof we can all see" are fluid concepts.

Also no point in taking any of their contributions seriously. Thankfully, only newbies listen to Blue, and then pretty quickly figure out the lay of the land when regulars jump on him with "not this bs again" replies.

[Frank Tuesday]

deleted. There was no value to my contribution. Sorry for wasting bandwidth.

[bassbully]

Man I can't understand why some of you continue to shovel dirt on a backfilled grave.

Quit adding to the Blue issue and address the threads..shheezzz.

[jive1]

We're done here.