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Old 08-30-2009, 06:59 PM
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What are the rules on the miles that you can deduct for playing? I know that I can't deduct my mileage for driving to my day job, and the rules that I have read online are confusing. What can a musician with a day job deduct?
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Old 08-30-2009, 07:04 PM
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As long as you are claiming the income from your gigs you can deduct mileage. I don't remember what the current rate is per mile but it is a fairly decent amount. You can also deduct your equipment either as a one time deduction or depreciated over several years. I have a small business in my home so I have a good accountant who does this stuff for me. It is worth the $150 a year I pay him to do my taxes as he finds many more deductions than I would ever know about.
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Mileage from job#1 to job#2 IS deductible, from what I understand. So I understand that to mean mileage from day gig to practice, or to band gigs.

I would make sure before signing my name on the tax returns, as I am not a lawyer, tax or otherwise.

You should also keep a detailed diary on days, mileage, etc to document what you claim.

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Old 08-30-2009, 07:20 PM
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Either receive a 1099 or create a 1099 misc..

You can deduct real expenses.. mileage.. postage... gifts.. consumables (strings etc).. Have your band create a "uniform" this becomes deductable (specific shirts and pants that match).. if you take lessons they also become deductable.

You can't push the "hobby deductions" (like demonstrate a loss and deduct it from normal income).. deducting your new botique bass may push it (they'd claim you'd buy one anyway).. IF you and your guitar player bought matching guitars and ONLY played them for the band, this could argue for a "uniform"

Our band wears no holes jeans, white shirts - no stains (new on a schedule)... has a string changing schedule and gives members memos to go to lessons... part of our uniform are tobacco sunburst guitars with rosewood fingerboards. I took a $120 deduction for a bass that meet this criteria - when called to question, I sent the IRS a listing of my hobby gear with pix of the band. When you sell this guitar it is considered miscellaneous income.

When you view pix of our band on different occassions, it's very clear that we're consistent... our "hobby" gear stays at a different physical location.

The key is to keep real honest records and write stuff down (and don't try anything shady)
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Either receive a 1099 or create a 1099 misc..

You can deduct real expenses.. mileage.. postage... gifts.. consumables (strings etc).. Have your band create a "uniform" this becomes deductable (specific shirts and pants that match).. if you take lessons they also become deductable.
I believe negative on the uniforms. IRS has become much more stringent on clothing allowances. It has to be so outlandish that you can't wear it in everyday use. Matching shirts and pants don't count. Not a lawyer, but I would verify with someone who knows before trying that.

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You can't push the "hobby deductions" (like demonstrate a loss and deduct it from normal income).. deducting your new botique bass may push it (they'd claim you'd buy one anyway).. IF you and your guitar player bought matching guitars and ONLY played them for the band, this could argue for a "uniform"
If you make a profit often enough, its a business, and the botique bass is aok whether you'd buy it anyway or not. If you don't make profit often enough, you are correct, as a hobby, its questionable.

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Our band wears no holes jeans, white shirts - no stains (new on a schedule)... has a string changing schedule and gives members memos to go to lessons... part of our uniform are tobacco sunburst guitars with rosewood fingerboards. I took a $120 deduction for a bass that meet this criteria - when called to question, I sent the IRS a listing of my hobby gear with pix of the band. When you sell this guitar it is considered miscellaneous income.

When you view pix of our band on different occassions, it's very clear that we're consistent... our "hobby" gear stays at a different physical location.

The key is to keep real honest records and write stuff down (and don't try anything shady)
+1000 on the records and not trying anything shady. I would have thought the guitars were ok because of something other than the "uniform" angle. And would be careful of deducting the clothing as "uniforms". Never heard of the "hobby gear" vs "pro gear" angle, I'd think they're all musical equipment for the business or not. but not familiar with hobby rules, I've always made enough profit to be a business.

Lessons are part of professional training, should be fine. (if you're a business, not a hobby). I've heard people claim cd's, records, concert tickets as training, but never been brave enough to do so. Not saving enough money to risk an audit.

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I've been audited a few times (have multiple complex returns)... these were notes from the experiences.

The clothes thing is IF it was written down and you had an written manual, photos to back it (showing everyone wearing the same) and can prove they were not used for other uses (back to a written manual)... the entire band should not arrive in stage clothes and remove them while loading out.

Botique bass.. this notation is the "stink" test... back to my original post.. we all have pix showing us wearing the same outfits (show up wearing something else).. the basses are demonstrated to be used only for the band and stay with band gear ($120 bass). For a hobby bass, it's pushing it to order a Status and the mileage/expenses to England to pick it up.

The notation if it will hold up in audits are proper documentation AND the stink test above and beyond the personal interest..

Remember if you sell your bass (that was previously deducted) it becomes miscellaneous income... IF you deduct it and it does not remain dedicated to the band use only (not prersonal use) it is only partially allowable.

Biggest hobby biz rule - always aim to make $1 per year doing a hobby business being negative 5 of 5 years will get you in an entire world of different issues.


Much of this stuff is on line at IRS.gov .. most of it is just a standard P/L statement tempored with an honest stink test.

Back in history there is a better writeup by an accounting auditor


Tim

PS.. when I've been in doubt, I'll get a ruling from an IRS customer service person and include their name/date in he records.
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you can deduct mileage if going from a workplace to a workplace. Practice at your house before a gig and you are working.
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Between jobs, travel, to vendors, to customers (standard business activity)

Don't pad your numbers - not worth it - not right.
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