Pimp my stage plot (and recommend better mics)?

[derrico1]

You say "Chinese Shure that under-performs oddly," and I think counterfeit.

[agreatheight]

Mics are good, generally speaking. Few suggestions....

As had been said before, I'd do a 57 on the guitar cab over a 58. Even better would be a Sennheiser e609, easier to position / a little less finicky about angle. Question - if you are micing the hats, why not the ride? And while we are on drums, I might do small diagpragh condensers on the hats and ride, a 57 or 58 on the hats / ride aren't that great.

[Munjibunga]

Originally Posted by Eight_Stringer

From the really old days, SM 57 for instruments, SM58 vocals. Done a few low key gigs, as sound bloke recently, the Shure SM58 gave no end of trouble for off axis unwanted feed back, had me tricked until the owner of the mics stated they are Chinese Shure! Any one help with information on non USA Shures? They did not perform like the Shure's used from the 70's no question.

They're not Chinese Shures. They're Chinese POS knock-offs.

[Munjibunga]

Originally Posted by agreatheight

Mics are good, generally speaking. Few suggestions....

As had been said before, I'd do a 57 on the guitar cab over a 58. Even better would be a Sennheiser e609, easier to position / a little less finicky about angle. Question - if you are micing the hats, why not the ride? And while we are on drums, I might do small diagpragh condensers on the hats and ride, a 57 or 58 on the hats / ride aren't that great.

The SM57 and SM58 use the same capsule. There's not that much difference between them. A 58 will work fine on guitar.

[Eight_Stringer]

Tar all for the common knowledge i was not aware of, no such thing as Chinese Shure microphone. Did have me on the go, trying to sort the problems, assuming the SM58's were real deals. Problems went when swapped out for other brand mics.

Live and learn. Still have my AKG D222's bass mic'ing and D1200 for vocals. K160/4 headphones and in use often. Miss the D12E... New mic's are new to me.

[agreatheight]

Originally Posted by Munjibunga

The SM57 and SM58 use the same capsule. There's not that much difference between them. A 58 will work fine on guitar.

Not quite.

SM57:
Frequency response: 40 to 15,000 Hz
• Replacement cartridge: R57

SM58:
Frequency response: 50 to 15,000 Hz
• Replacement cartridge: R59

"The SM57 and SM58 microphones are based on the same cartridge design. The main difference is in the grille design. The SM58 was designed for vocal application and it uses a ball grille that acts as an effective pop filter. The SM57 was designed as an instrument microphone where a smaller grille size is preferred. In this application, pop and wind are not usually a concern.

The SM57 uses an integral resonator/grille assembly, where grille is actually a part of the cartridge. These two grille designs place the diaphragm of each microphone in a different acoustical environment. The distance from the top of the grille to the diaphragm is shorter on the SM57 compared to that of the SM58. This allows for a closer miking position with a more pronounced proximity effect. The different resonator/grille assembly design of the SM57 is also responsible for its slightly higher output above 5 kHz."

Can you use a 58 on a cab? Sure. But the 57 is designed for it, and it is an industry standard. So...

[Munjibunga]

Originally Posted by agreatheight

"The SM57 and SM58 microphones are based on the same cartridge design. The main difference is in the grille design.

Close enough.

[walterw]

Originally Posted by sleeplessknight

The band has an Audiotechnica IEM system (single mix for now)...

i could not imagine suffering with one IEM mix like that! i'll go with no monitor at all first.

[sleeplessknight]

What's so bad about it? We haven't had any issues so far, it doesn't seem any worse than the standard 2-3 wedges with one aux mix.

[Stone Soup]

Originally Posted by eriky4003

The Beta 58's are really nice and will increase gain before feedback.

They can get a little harsh, though, with some voices. I sing through one all the time. I roll off around 4k a tiny bit to try and smooth them out.