Punk-Rock or Metal?

[Spatial]

Originally Posted by vishuddha

I've personally never been too impressed with "punk" players... most of the ones I meet seem to be just in it for the image. Posers. Just as it is with metal, for the most part, but I just find metalheads easier to get along with than punk players. In my experience, metal fans are just less snobby... and don't break the law constantly just to prove how punk they are.

Don't get me wrong. I am close friends with some punks, and there are plenty of metal douchebags out there. The aforementioned is just MY experience.

P.S.
Compromise. Play thrash.

I think you could say that there is going to be d-bags within any group of people no matter where you go. I know plenty of metalheads that are a pleasure to hang out with, and some that talking to is like having a toothache, wedgie, and itch on your back you can't reach all at the same time. Same goes for punks.

To the OP, I would say you guys should just start jamming and messing around together first. From there it might be better to decide if you want to play with these guys. As far as genre's that meet somewhere in between, then I would say play thrash, hardcore, crust, or grindcore. There is a fair amount of crossover between punk and metal.

[JimiLL]

how about you just make some music you all like, and the hell with what its classified as?

[Liv3rman]

Originally Posted by pushbuttonfour

I agree with you; I love punk and hate metal. But if the rest of your band doesn't agree with you, there's not much you can do. I guess give them this argument: Pop punk and similar genres are more popular than metal, and metal is harder to sing and play. Also, a lot of people associate metal with... how can I put this... douchebaggery.

You bell end.

[pushbuttonfour]

Originally Posted by vishuddha

I've personally never been too impressed with "punk" players... most of the ones I meet seem to be just in it for the image. Posers. Just as it is with metal, for the most part, but I just find metalheads easier to get along with than punk players. In my experience, metal fans are just less snobby... and don't break the law constantly just to prove how punk they are.

Don't get me wrong. I am close friends with some punks, and there are plenty of metal douchebags out there. The aforementioned is just MY experience.

P.S.
Compromise. Play thrash.

that's weird, my experience is the complete opposite. I've always seen people call themselves "metalheads" just to seem cool. In my experience, I have a tonna friends who think they're so cool just because they listen to metal. "posers," to use a word you used. Punk is really just about having fun and not caring that you can't play your own instruments :P but in the end I guess there's people in both genres that are hard to get along with.

[pushbuttonfour]

Originally Posted by mellowinman

Blink-182 is what passes for punk rock these days?

Who knew?

their genre is "punk" or "pop punk." OP asked about pop punk. I don't see what so many people hate about blink... ok maybe I do

[vishuddha]

Originally Posted by pushbuttonfour

that's weird, my experience is the complete opposite. I've always seen people call themselves "metalheads" just to seem cool. In my experience, I have a tonna friends who think they're so cool just because they listen to metal. "posers," to use a word you used. Punk is really just about having fun and not caring that you can't play your own instruments :P but in the end I guess there's people in both genres that are hard to get along with.

Well, keep in mind that a lot of those kids are probably referring to metalCORE. Which I, and many other true metalheads, don't consider to be actual metal. I hate metalcore kids, too. Definitely, as you said, posers. I know one REAL punk and he's a blast. It's all the FAKES that have the crappy attitude, regardless of the genre.

[jmattbassplaya]

I used to listen to a lot of metal but I would hate to play it in a band. I really don't enjoy listening to most punk but I would LOVE to play in a pop-punk band. Weird how that works out lol.

[pushbuttonfour]

Originally Posted by vishuddha

Well, keep in mind that a lot of those kids are probably referring to metalCORE. Which I, and many other true metalheads, don't consider to be actual metal. I hate metalcore kids, too. Definitely, as you said, posers. I know one REAL punk and he's a blast. It's all the FAKES that have the crappy attitude, regardless of the genre.

I agree. You should listen to music because you like it ,not because you think it will make you look "cool" (as it often will have the opposite effect if you try too hard)

[pklima]

Originally Posted by monster0503

I think i will recommend them to play hardcore or metalcore then.

You can try but that's probably not gonna go too well. There's nothing metalheads hate more than music that sounds exactly like what they play (to any outsider it really does), but involves wearing slightly different clothes and is less hated by girls.

[monster0503]

Originally Posted by pklima

You can try but that's probably not gonna go too well. There's nothing metalheads hate more than music that sounds exactly like what they play (to any outsider it really does), but involves wearing slightly different clothes and is less hated by girls.

I think you are right.

[Venom of God]

Originally Posted by pklima

You can try but that's probably not gonna go too well. There's nothing metalheads hate more than music that sounds exactly like what they play (to any outsider it really does), but involves wearing slightly different clothes and is less hated by girls.

The only thing cooler than bands who get girls are bands who scare girls.

[monster0503]

Originally Posted by Venom of God

The only thing cooler than bands who get girls are bands who scare girls.

You are right. You made my day.

[Rageadon]

It's two types of metal;

Bad metal(drummer play super fast, guitar player plays one riff, guitar player 2 plays solo the entire song, the vocal is singing something completely different and the bass is hidden in the mess), it's alot of bad metal out there which sounds crap live and is trying to be mainstream.



And then you got good metal, good metal exists, but can be rare in some of the categories when it comes to metal, good metal(Guitar1 and 2, drummer and the bass plays something awesome and the vocal have a clue whats going on) is very fun to play just like punk(it is bad punk to...).

But if i was going to start a new band i would just jam for an hour or something to see what the sound would be like.

[ObeyGiant]

First "serious" band I joined had a drummer that wanted to play like pop-punk stuff, like Blink-182 (I seriously think he had a crush on those guys >.>) so that's what we played. I didn't really care and the guitarist was a metal guy all the way. I at the time I did not like metal at all.

After he left we got a couple of twins (guitarist/drummer) that were also metal guys so we started playing metalcore (think As I Lay Dying) and at first I didn't really like it, but it wound up being fun and opened my eyes to a genre I had never really given a chance to before. Most of the metal I listen to nowadays seems to fall into the "djent" category (who the hell comes up with this crap?)

I find when tuned down so low (we played in Drop C) the guitarists kind of infringe on the bass frequencies anyways so I kind of strayed from the traditional ideas of trying to keep a rhythm and just did my own thing and it was a lot of fun! I always got compliments from people playing out about how "awesome I was at bass" lol. I think it is because most bass players in these types of bands I see play very uninspired... Just chugging along on the lowest open string they have most of the time. Definitely improved my chops during those years.

The moral of this long, pointless story is to maybe not be so closed minded about the playing metal thing. My band wanted to play metal and I didn't, but I got out voted and we played metal anyways - and it was a lot of fun.

[monster0503]

Originally Posted by Rageadon

It's two types of metal;

Bad metal(drummer play super fast, guitar player plays one riff, guitar player 2 plays solo the entire song, the vocal is singing something completely different and the bass is hidden in the mess), it's alot of bad metal out there which sounds crap live and is trying to be mainstream.



And then you got good metal, good metal exists, but can be rare in some of the categories when it comes to metal, good metal(Guitar1 and 2, drummer and the bass plays something awesome and the vocal have a clue whats going on) is very fun to play just like punk(it is bad punk to...).

But if i was going to start a new band i would just jam for an hour or something to see what the sound would be like.

Thanks for the help. You are right. I just have to have fun and enjoy the music.

[monster0503]

Originally Posted by ObeyGiant

First "serious" band I joined had a drummer that wanted to play like pop-punk stuff, like Blink-182 (I seriously think he had a crush on those guys >.>) so that's what we played. I didn't really care and the guitarist was a metal guy all the way. I at the time I did not like metal at all.

After he left we got a couple of twins (guitarist/drummer) that were also metal guys so we started playing metalcore (think As I Lay Dying) and at first I didn't really like it, but it wound up being fun and opened my eyes to a genre I had never really given a chance to before. Most of the metal I listen to nowadays seems to fall into the "djent" category (who the hell comes up with this crap?)

I find when tuned down so low (we played in Drop C) the guitarists kind of infringe on the bass frequencies anyways so I kind of strayed from the traditional ideas of trying to keep a rhythm and just did my own thing and it was a lot of fun! I always got compliments from people playing out about how "awesome I was at bass" lol. I think it is because most bass players in these types of bands I see play very uninspired... Just chugging along on the lowest open string they have most of the time. Definitely improved my chops during those years.

The moral of this long, pointless story is to maybe not be so closed minded about the playing metal thing. My band wanted to play metal and I didn't, but I got out voted and we played metal anyways - and it was a lot of fun.

Maybe i will give it a chance. Metalcore is one if my favourite genre, my only problem i that i can't tune my bass to drop c, i don't know how to. On my tuner i can change the hz between 410 and 480.

[tycobb73]

just play

[jay tay]

Just ask yourself weather you prefer to play music with the group of friends mentioned in your original post, or if you would prefer to play the genre of your choice! you could always do both. Play metal with your friends, whilst searching out for other punk musicians, to develop a side project.

[bluewine]

Depends on what you want to do.

Some genres are good vehicles for getting out and playing real shows consistently in front of crowds and getting paid.

Some genres are commercially limited at the local level and are better suited for those who only want to play in the basement with their friends.

Good luck

Blue

[Rageadon]

Originally Posted by monster0503

Maybe i will give it a chance. Metalcore is one if my favourite genre, my only problem i that i can't tune my bass to drop c, i don't know how to. On my tuner i can change the hz between 410 and 480.

if you have a cromatic tuner, tune them to CGCF(A if you got 5 strings).
if not,

EADG->CGCF: hit the flat button 4 times and tune E string and D string until it hits green light, then hold down the fifth fret on A and make it sound like an open C (the D one) after that hold the fifth fret on C(the D one) and tune G string to F.