Refused Payment...? - Page 3

Joe Louvar · #41 12-01-2012, 09:57 AM

Way cool.

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Originally Posted by NightOwl71

Thanks for all of the replies all, I appreciate the input. So we had a phone version of a band meeting earlier and the bandleader backpedaled pretty hard. He agreed that it was a jerk move and will be paying us out of his pocket. He also promised that it would never happen again.

At the time of refusal he was feeling like his playing wasn't up to par that night, and was a bit tipsy. We made it clear to him that he needs to consult the band before doing anything like that again, and he agreed and appears to feel pretty bad about it.

In all, it turned out much better than I thought it would!

posijon · #42 12-01-2012, 10:19 AM

In this situation, you are acting as a subcontractor. Technically speaking, you should be signing a lien waiver each time your BL pays you. If he doesn't pay you, you can place a mechanic's lien on him. Sounds like you need a written statement of what you will be paid for your services.

bassmonkeee · #43 12-01-2012, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by NightOwl71

Thanks for all of the replies all, I appreciate the input. So we had a phone version of a band meeting earlier and the bandleader backpedaled pretty hard. He agreed that it was a jerk move and will be paying us out of his pocket. He also promised that it would never happen again.

At the time of refusal he was feeling like his playing wasn't up to par that night, and was a bit tipsy. We made it clear to him that he needs to consult the band before doing anything like that again, and he agreed and appears to feel pretty bad about it.

In all, it turned out much better than I thought it would!

Contrition and remuneration can fix a lot of issues.

Sounds like he knows he screwed up.

Not to kick a man when he's down, but if he was tipsy and thought his playing wasn't up to par, maybe he shouldn't be drinking while playing....at the very least--don't be tipsy when dealing with the club about money!

Munjibunga · #44 12-01-2012, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bassmonkeee

Contrition and remuneration can fix a lot of issues.

Sounds like he knows he screwed up.

Not to kick a man when he's down, but if he was tipsy and thought his playing wasn't up to par, maybe he shouldn't be drinking while playing....at the very least--don't be tipsy when dealing with the club about money!

Ahh, yes - there's nothing like contrition and remuneration. Sounds like a good band name, too.

Roadkill · #45 12-01-2012, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NightOwl71

At the time of refusal he was [...] a bit tipsy.

Oh, well then it's OK as long as he made it right afterwards

. Rock & Roll

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jmattbassplaya · #46 12-01-2012, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NightOwl71

Thanks for all of the replies all, I appreciate the input. So we had a phone version of a band meeting earlier and the bandleader backpedaled pretty hard. He agreed that it was a jerk move and will be paying us out of his pocket. He also promised that it would never happen again.

At the time of refusal he was feeling like his playing wasn't up to par that night, and was a bit tipsy. We made it clear to him that he needs to consult the band before doing anything like that again, and he agreed and appears to feel pretty bad about it.

In all, it turned out much better than I thought it would!

Excellent.

Believe it or not, a similar thing almost happened to my band once as well. We played a cover gig, the guitarist had a bad night, and he wanted to refuse pay. I told him just because he had a bad night didn't mean the rest of us had one. In fact, I thought that was one of our better cover gigs (especially since we were using a sub that night who we had never rehearsed with before), so I had no problem taking the money that we worked for. I told him if he ever thinks he didn't play well enough that we'll simply dock him his pay and the rest of us will split his cut, because under no circumstances will he ever deny me or the rest of our band ours.

Swampman Cory · #47 12-01-2012, 01:04 PM

Don't quit the band.

HolmeBass · #48 12-01-2012, 01:12 PM

That is some straight-up passive-aggresive BS from the BL. He was mad at you guys about a few technical issues and unilaterally decided to punish you. Sounds like he isn't very experienced, and has serious control-freak issues. I would consider quitting, but would definitely have stern words with the BL, and I would demand he pay you your share. It's simply not his place to fork over your share of the money.

Besides that, he's training the bar owner a bad new trick that he may spring on you guys later, or on another unsuspecting band. Really your BL has his head planted way up his own butt.

Ok I got a bit emotional on the 1st page, glad your BL realized his serious error and made things right for you guys.

jaywa · #49 12-01-2012, 01:26 PM

BL needs to lay off the sauce if it's affecting his judgment to that extent.

If he's an alky that's his issue but when it starts affecting your bottom line it becomes your issue too.

Raymeous · #50 12-03-2012, 11:22 AM

I think too many folks only see or think about the stage time. "It's only an hour set!" Yeah but how many hours did you spend in individual practice, band rehearsal, tearing down your rigs to load them up, transporting to the gig, setting up the gear again, followed by tearing it down again, or setting up baby sitters if you hav munchkins at home, you get the idea. It takes far more time and effort to do a 2 hour gig than just the 2 hours.

If the show was less than stellar, well it happens do what you can to minimize the chances of it happening again, although it still will happen. A decision like that needs to be handled by the band prior to the gigs, and set up like a "company policy". Now if the BL is responsible for paying the bands wages then he can say "I wont take your money 'cuz we sucked" but he still should pay you for your time. It will just have to be out of his pocket and not the bar owners.

This was simply bad business on the Band Leaders part.

Factor88 · #51 12-03-2012, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by NightOwl71

Thanks for all of the replies all, I appreciate the input. So we had a phone version of a band meeting earlier and the bandleader backpedaled pretty hard. He agreed that it was a jerk move and will be paying us out of his pocket. He also promised that it would never happen again.

At the time of refusal he was feeling like his playing wasn't up to par that night, and was a bit tipsy. We made it clear to him that he needs to consult the band before doing anything like that again, and he agreed and appears to feel pretty bad about it.

In all, it turned out much better than I thought it would!

Well, so after all the torch and pitchfork waving about quitting, nazi dictator bandleaders, etc. etc....things turn out fairly normal.