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12-05-2012, 09:28 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: White Plains | | | It probably is. Sometimes they don't realize how much they miss the bass until it's not there anymore.
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12-05-2012, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by intheory  so we play at this venue for full pay 2 days per month...and then we have this new weeknight thing (weekly) where they are paying for half of the band. In the weeknight scenario, bl has asked me to join periodically (without pay while the 3 other members present are paid) to sort of reinforce new songs that we've learned in rehearsals.
So I would be the one not getting paid. As stated earlier, I played the first 3 weeks on the weeknights for free to support the venture, but have sat out for the past 3.
I think I sort of brought this on myself, but wanted to get some advice on if turning down the "offer" was legit on my part  | Ok, gotcha. Well.......BL needs to pay you. I think you are fine in declining to show up. I wouldn't. Maybe BL need to give up his pay. |
12-05-2012, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by bassgod0dmw It probably is. Sometimes they don't realize how much they miss the bass until it's not there anymore. |  I like this train of thought |
12-05-2012, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DWBass Ok, gotcha. Well.......BL needs to pay you. I think you are fine in declining to show up. I wouldn't. Maybe BL need to give up his pay. | Just checked out your Youtube gems. I wanna be in your groovin' band!! The question is, would I take your place for free...;D
You all remind me a little of Patrice Rushen which is a good thing in my book!
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12-05-2012, 11:47 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: DC | | | All things being equal, the other members should have given you your fair cut from the start. That's just sh-tty that they should accept your money for your work. |
12-05-2012, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mizedog
Just checked out your Youtube gems. I wanna be in your groovin' band!! The question is, would I take your place for free...;D
You all remind me a little of Patrice Rushen which is a good thing in my book!
| Thank you very much . Just checked her out, sounds pretty cool!! |
12-05-2012, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by carpcutter All things being equal, the other members should have given you your fair cut from the start. That's just sh-tty that they should accept your money for your work. | Yeah I shouldn't have started the precedent, but the good thing is that I've stopped it . They are good guys and I really enjoy working with them, just not in a situation of inequality |
12-05-2012, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by carpcutter All things being equal, the other members should have given you your fair cut from the start. That's just sh-tty that they should accept your money for your work. | I agree. There is no way that I could allow myself to be paid and not divide it equally among those involved.
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12-05-2012, 12:15 PM
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Is that an offer you can't refuse?
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12-05-2012, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Smokin' Toaster "Come play this gig with us. It's for half our usual pay. That means I deserve 100% of my usual pay and you are worth nothing."
Is that an offer you can't refuse? | well said |
12-05-2012, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by intheory so to recap what I've learned from this thread from all of you, my awesome bass brothers
1. My head is on right in feeling that rejecting this request is warranted on my part
2. My head was wrong to even entertain the idea or feel bad about rejecting it
3. Ibanez basses are the best for metal... 4. My bandleader is being a greedy chump and is trying to take advantage of me? | There,
fixed it for you.
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12-05-2012, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by smogg
There,
fixed it for you. | Ooooooh snap!!! |
12-05-2012, 10:52 PM
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Owner/Retailer: Jive Sound Moderator | | Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alexandria,VA | | | I did a house band gig for a while. The pay was dismal, but the gig was fun, nearby and all I had to do was bring my bass. When I took the gig, the BL asked me if I could do the open mic on Tuesdays. I asked what the pay was, and it was nothing. I told him, I'd stop by when I have time, but I won't be doing it regularly and he shouldn't be expecting it.
He'd get pissy about it, and I stayed adamant. He tried guilt tripping me about being a team player, he tried being forceful, he tried being nice, but none of those things worked. What was he going to do except fire me from a low paying gig? The open mic was his deal that he was probably getting paid for that didn't do anything for me at all. I told him if it's a big enough deal, he can replace me and try to find another bass player who will work twice a week for nothing, and next to nothing.
In those situations where you are obviously getting the short end of the stick, you have nothing to lose by not giving in to silliness. You give in, you get screwed. You don't give in, you risk getting screwed out of opportunities to get screwed in the future. |
12-05-2012, 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DWBass A trial, to me, is 1 or 2 times? How long has this 'trial' been? If more than that......it's NOT a trial. Full band pay or move on to another venue. Just my opinion. If you're a good band, they'll call.
| Bingo. I'm all for "paying your dues" and cutting a venue a break the first time in. But either this night is going to happen or it isn't, and it sounds like it's not going to pick up. The band as a whole is doing a disservice by playing this gig, particuarly if it's at half pay. If you're not really fresh with your material, you may be burning yourself out at that venue if you do weekend gigs there too.
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12-06-2012, 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by jive1 I did a house band gig for a while. The pay was dismal, but the gig was fun, nearby and all I had to do was bring my bass. When I took the gig, the BL asked me if I could do the open mic on Tuesdays. I asked what the pay was, and it was nothing. I told him, I'd stop by when I have time, but I won't be doing it regularly and he shouldn't be expecting it.
He'd get pissy about it, and I stayed adamant. He tried guilt tripping me about being a team player, he tried being forceful, he tried being nice, but none of those things worked. What was he going to do except fire me from a low paying gig? The open mic was his deal that he was probably getting paid for that didn't do anything for me at all. I told him if it's a big enough deal, he can replace me and try to find another bass player who will work twice a week for nothing, and next to nothing.
In those situations where you are obviously getting the short end of the stick, you have nothing to lose by not giving in to silliness. You give in, you get screwed. You don't give in, you risk getting screwed out of opportunities to get screwed in the future. | Great points, and thank you! I'm sticking to my guns and have already communicated such. I appreciate the support!
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12-06-2012, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by LiquidMidnight
Bingo. I'm all for "paying your dues" and cutting a venue a break the first time in. But either this night is going to happen or it isn't, and it sounds like it's not going to pick up. The band as a whole is doing a disservice by playing this gig, particuarly if it's at half pay. If you're not really fresh with your material, you may be burning yourself out at that venue if you do weekend gigs there too.
| Thanks midnight! I'm torn on how I feel about the band doing this particular gig, and you have a valid point about burning ourselves out at that venue. Good food for thought... |
12-06-2012, 09:58 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Brisbane, Australia | | | A definite "No" on this one. Apart from the obvious unfairness of the arrangement with the other band members, it's always a bad idea to allow club managers to pay you chicken-feed. A week or two starting out, maybe, but no more than that. I think the band is crazy doing this gig at all, especially when they're doing other nights when they are being properly paid. Club owners are always trying to pull this sort of crap, and if every band refused, they couldn't get away with it. |
12-06-2012, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by intheory So recently my bl asked if I could come out to a few more of these as a sort of extra time to rehearse with the band. | Whoa, what a weasel.
Instead, the BL should be going back to the club and saying: You know, this would be a lot better if we could afford to bring our bassists to these gigs. |
12-06-2012, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by fdeck
Whoa, what a weasel.
Instead, the BL should be going back to the club and saying: You know, this would be a lot better if we could afford to bring our bassists to these gigs.
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I agree for the most part. I can tell you that I'm happy with my band, the happiest I've been than with any other outfit (I shared my history on another thread earlier in the week). We've had our ups and downs and arguments, but after 16 months, I've played the most and made the most with these guys.
I agree that this wasn't a thoughtful or fair request on my bl's part. I also believe that I set an unfortunate precedent early on that set up the stage for being taken advantage of, so I take some responsibility.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, I was partially to blame for doing a few of these "free of charge," but definitely would have entered "chump area" had I continued to "volunteer" my time, and specifically after I was overtly asked to do the same.
A good lesson learned here, and thank you for the advice!!
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