When is it ok to fire a guy via email?

[pstyle]

TTIWWOP of new singer

[Mojo-Man]

Originally Posted by UncleFluffy

Do it face-to-face if you can, or phone if you can't. Not for his sake, but for yours.

+1
Be a man.

[bluewine]

Originally Posted by Tylerrr51

Hes disrespecting you so he deserves nothing better.

Normally I would say never use e-mail for that purpose.However from what your saying and from his behavior e-mail is fine.

I can't believe he started in on your female lead singer, I hate guys like that.

blue

[dalkowski]

Originally Posted by jmattbassplaya

+1

Personally I`m all for just an email, but let`s try to be the more mature one here and do the polite thing. At least then you can always look back and say you did everything right.

+1

[cnltb]

Never by e-mail.
It is respect-less and says way more about those who fire than those that are getting fired.

[MatticusMania]

Originally Posted by bluewine

I can't believe he started in on your female lead singer, I hate guys like that.

Is it really hard to believe? About 85% of people Ive 'auditioned' or jammed with are total d-bags, with the exception of the ones Ive let into my band. It kind of goes with the territory, a lot of musicians that arent pros can be huge losers. I bet a lot of bands break-up/fall apart/dont come together for this very reason. Its happened to me once when I joined a band. The founding guitarist wanted a piece of our vocalist, and then we all went our seperate ways.

[MNAirHead]

Nick

Each band needs a benevolant dictator.. equal say bands create drama... much of the stuff discussed as an "us" is irrelevant and can be solved by having someone in tune with the customers.

Part of this person's power is in the ultimate veto.. or dirty work.

This person should meet the guitarist one on one and have a thoughtful and warm departure talk.

I can understand the email thing -- it's just not the method most of us would want (douchebag or coolguy)

Cutting abrubpt ties also robs your band of some potential insight (from said douchebag) --

I know this cutting tie thing sucks.. really sucks ---it sucks getting all the pieces in place.. most garage bands fail before getting out of the garage.

Timmy

[gttim]

I vote for changing your rehearsal location and then never answering his calls, texts or emails. Then, if you ever run into him, ask him "What the hell happened to you?"

[NickInMesa]

Originally Posted by MNAirHead

Nick

Each band needs a benevolant dictator.. equal say bands create drama... much of the stuff discussed as an "us" is irrelevant and can be solved by having someone in tune with the customers.

Part of this person's power is in the ultimate veto.. or dirty work.

This person should meet the guitarist one on one and have a thoughtful and warm departure talk.

I can understand the email thing -- it's just not the method most of us would want (douchebag or coolguy)

Cutting abrubpt ties also robs your band of some potential insight (from said douchebag) --

I know this cutting tie thing sucks.. really sucks ---it sucks getting all the pieces in place.. most garage bands fail before getting out of the garage.

Timmy

Yes, Timmy, we talked about it but in this case I decided to just call him and say bye bye this way.

He was absolutely not into it and did not believe in the project, it was obvious. For him it was more of a jam thing. Not for us, it's a business venture.

[OmnitzGarima]

Originally Posted by deadworld101

Fire him via singing telegram.

A nice little barbershop quartet, yeah that would work.

[Edward G.]

No matter how bad of a tool he is, firing via email is not a good business practice, however much somebody may deserve nothing better.

Firing someone eye-to-eye provides that personal touch that says 'Go to hell. Yeah, we called you in just to put you out. What of it?'

Don't be punitive, however. Just explain that he hasn't been a good fit; you're going to look for someone else.

Protect your karma.

[NickInMesa]

Originally Posted by Edward G.

Don't be punitive, however. Just explain that he hasn't been a good fit; you're going to look for someone else.

That's what I did but since he was already pasted at 8PM, all he said was "ok... ok... ok..."

I hope he remembered when he woke up the next day.

[Crazyeelboy]

What about the hot singer?

Back to the point - I suggest you go full out on the drama. Wait until the next rehearsal and make a big deal out of everything he does - I mean totally overboard. Hve each band member pick up on a different thing and then all jump on the bandwagon for each issue to make him feel totally ambushed. Then collect money from him for the studio and ditch him. Drama can be your friend.

[NickInMesa]

Originally Posted by Crazyeelboy

What about the hot singer?

You need to all calm down a second.

What a bunch of teenagers...

[Calaverasgrande]

email firings are not cool. I have had bosses that pull that. I have also had clients that just kind of forgot to tell me I was no longer needed until the day I showed up.
Besides, for other musicians sake, tell this guy to his FACE why he is being let go. Be diplomatic about it. Maybe he comes around down the road. Maybe he runs a studio or a club someday. Never a good idea to completly burn bridges.


I had one drummer decide to switch bands on us. He just never had the balls to tell me to my face. What, am I gonna kick his butt for quittting? What a wimp. Anyway, I pretty much will never talk to this weasel again. He dragged me through a month of not showing up for practice before he told me, though someone else, that he was quitting.
other problem of firing by email is that he can act like he didnt see it and just show up like nothing happened.

[Crazyeelboy]

NIckinMesa - Lighten up, dude! We're just having some fun and that's what this is all about.

If you want a serious answer, here it is - deal with the issue head on. Don't wuss out and rely on email or even a telephone. Meet the guy, tell him what's up and deal with it. But you didn't need us to tell you that - you probably knew that already and were hoping that someone here will tell you it is OK to do it by email.

Now, what about the singer?

[NickInMesa]

Originally Posted by Crazyeelboy

NIckinMesa - Lighten up, dude! We're just having some fun and that's what this is all about.

If you want a serious answer, here it is - deal with the issue head on. Don't wuss out and rely on email or even a telephone. Meet the guy, tell him what's up and deal with it. But you didn't need us to tell you that - you probably knew that already and were hoping that someone here will tell you it is OK to do it by email.

Now, what about the singer?

I am already all lightened up but you guys crack me up sometimes.

Why in the world would I even want to meet him if I don't intend to see him ever again?

I don't think either I or he would benefit from meeting in person.

[Edward G.]

Originally Posted by NickInMesa

Why in the world would I even want to meet him if I don't intend to see him ever again?

I don't think either I or he would benefit from meeting in person.

Because letting someone go from any team, group, or organization is a grim task that one must face up to in an honorable way. It's important to deal with the unpleasantness up-front, rather than have the guy telling the world you canned him by wire, thus making YOU look like a puss rather than him for not measuring up.

[jive1]

Originally Posted by NickInMesa

Why in the world would I even want to meet him if I don't intend to see him ever again?

I don't think either I or he would benefit from meeting in person.

It's not about the benefit, it's about doing the right thing.

Even a dirty rat bastrich can do the right thing when it's convenient and beneficial to them. But doing the right thing when there's no benefit to you, that's where character comes in.

And if you're the band leader, and that's how you fire someone, the other members of the band will remember it and see you through that lens, even if they are for the firing. It's gonna be hard to demand integrity and honor from your bandmates from that point on, based on them seeing how you handled firing the guitarist. Don't be surprised if someone sends a resignation by e-mail to you before the gig, because that's the tone that is set.

Personally, much of my respect for a band-leader is based on how he/she treated other members of the band as well as how they treated me.

[Crazyeelboy]

Originally Posted by NickInMesa

I am already all lightened up but you guys crack me up sometimes.

Why in the world would I even want to meet him if I don't intend to see him ever again?

I don't think either I or he would benefit from meeting in person.

Great. It looks like you have this all sorted out and you know what you want to do.

You know the rule, though - no pic, no singer.