Is Your Band Established? - Page 6

ChrisB2 · #**101** 02-08-2013, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bassbully

Geeez..ok

Dude. Lighten up. I used nearly every smiley in the drawer so hopefully you'd know I was just pulling your leg...

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Originally Posted by bassbully

So are the really horrible bands I have seen that only get gigs because they have allot of friends they drag out to their shows to drink ..Established?

That's an extreme example. I'd say if they were truly "horrible" they would not get repeat bookings. I have said over and over that getting repeat bookings is an indication of being accepted. If you don't get asked back, you are not being accepted you're being rejected. But yes... even if YOU don't like their sound... if they are working steady, bringing in customers and $$ they are established. Who's to say they're "horrible" if the bar, the patrons, "everyone" but you likes them? That sounds like the "sour grapes" I was talking about earlier...

The definition is simple; generally accepted. A band getting repeat bookings, good reception, and working regularly is accepted i.e. established.

DWBass · #**102** 02-08-2013, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by bassbully

So are the really horrible bands I have seen, that only get gigs because they have a lot of friends they drag out to their shows to drink, ..Established?

Absolutely! If they are known around town and get booked regularly, they are an established band. Doesn't matter if cover band or originals band.

Here's me playing with a band that has been around for 40 years now. I subbed on this gig. Their bassist has been with them for 28 years now. https://vimeo.com/52535437

This band is most definitely established!

DWBass · #**103** 02-08-2013, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bassbully

Geeestablished...to me.

........although you will see established bands mostly being original ..sorry just the way it is to me.

This is not true. But you are entitled to your opinion.

bassbully · #**104** 02-08-2013, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisB2

Dude. Lighten up. I used nearly every smiley in the drawer so hopefully you'd know I was just pulling your leg...

That's an extreme example. I'd say if they were truly "horrible" they would not get repeat bookings. I have said over and over that getting repeat bookings is an indication of being accepted. If you don't get asked back, you are not being accepted you're being rejected. But yes... even if YOU don't like their sound... if they are working steady, bringing in customers and $$ they are established. Who's to say they're "horrible" if the bar, the patrons, "everyone" but you likes them? That sounds like the "sour grapes" I was talking about earlier...

The definition is simple; generally accepted. A band getting repeat bookings, good reception, and working regularly is accepted i.e. established.

Chris I got it! No hard feelings here

I understand. It's kind of cool being the whipping boy on this thread for once

I like it give me more!!!! BTW Originals bands rule

bassbully · #**105** 02-08-2013, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DWBass

This is not true. But you are entitled to your opinion.

Thanks...dig your band..nice!

bluewine · #**106** 02-08-2013, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bassbully

Geeez..ok

Really makes no diff I said if it is a touring tribute band or even a guy like I told you about that plays 95% covers BTW..that it is the level of their buisness that makes them established...to me.

It is not a knock about covers. If a cover band is doing what in my eyes is established than goodie for them. It is not about the type of music although you will see established bands mostly being original ..sorry just the way it is to me.

I know another band that was local a very good orignals band that all the members left their jobs and toured four 5 years. They had a minor money backer, studio ,label and all. They made a minor dent but finally gave up the dream. Now that to me they were an established band. My band is no way near that dedicated and will never be. That is my view and gosh dang it...I'm stickin to it

So , your definition of established is original bands that don't " make it "?

Yeah, you have a unique definition of established. Maybe is a cultural thing, are you from the US?

Blue

bluewine · #**107** 02-08-2013, 07:43 AM

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BTW Originals bands rule

I take it you have never been to Milwaukee.

Blue

DWBass · #**108** 02-08-2013, 07:44 AM

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Thanks...dig your band..nice!

Thanks. I wish it was my band, though. They make the money! My band, although 'established', pays for my gas! LOL!

bassbully · #**109** 02-08-2013, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bluewine

So , your definition of established is original bands that don't " make it "?

Yeah, you have a unique definition of established. Maybe is a cultural thing, are you from the US?

Blue

Hecks Yes I'm from the US of A and damn proud of it!
Look at my location and if you can figure out where I live

Again, this is not all about Originals band guys..I thought my examples made that clear.

bassbully · #**110** 02-08-2013, 08:51 AM

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I take it you have never been to Milwaukee.

Blue

No but I hear the Beer is good.

bluewine · #**111** 02-08-2013, 09:12 AM

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No but I hear the Beer is good.

Bully

You must live in an area where originals bands flourish and are widely accepted.

That is not the case in Milwaukee outside of a few exception.

Milwaukee is a cover city.

Blue

JumboJack · #**112** 02-08-2013, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bluewine

Bully

You must live in an area where originals bands flourish and are widely accepted.

That is not the case in Milwaukee outside of a few exception.

Milwaukee is a cover city.

Blue

Where where you living a few years ago when you where playing in that original band?

ChrisB2 · #**113** 02-08-2013, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bassbully

Chris I got it! No hard feelings here

I understand. It's kind of cool being the whipping boy on this thread for once

I like it give me more!!!! BTW Originals bands rule

LOL, no, it's cool man... I think I'm starting to get where you're at on this... you just think that, to YOU, for a band to qualify as "established" it has to be a serious hard-working project that has more on the radar than a couple local weekend cover gigs every month... maybe not trying to be rock stars, but paying their dues to get some real serious traction, regionally at least, maybe nationally, but really humping to get their name/music out there, and seeing some results/success/$$. Am I getting it???

I don't agree with you, but I think I'm understanding.......

bluewine · #**114** 02-08-2013, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisB2

LOL, no, it's cool man... I think I'm starting to get where you're at on this... you just think that, to YOU, for a band to qualify as "established" it has to be a serious hard-working project that has more on the radar than a couple local weekend cover gigs every month... maybe not trying to be rock stars, but paying their dues to get some real serious traction, regionally at least, maybe nationally, but really humping to get their name/music out there, and seeing some results/success/$$. Am I getting it???

I don't agree with you, but I think I'm understanding.......

It's a lot of work for a cover band to have gigs every weekend.

Blue

bluewine · #**115** 02-08-2013, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisB2

LOL, no, it's cool man... I think I'm starting to get where you're at on this... you just think that, to YOU, for a band to qualify as "established" it has to be a serious hard-working project that has more on the radar than a couple local weekend cover gigs every month... maybe not trying to be rock stars, but paying their dues to get some real serious traction, regionally at least, maybe nationally, but really humping to get their name/music out there, and seeing some results/success/$$. Am I getting it???

I don't agree with you, but I think I'm understanding.......

I think what he is saying is, a cover band no matter how long they have been together or how well their known , or even how often they gig even if full time, they can not be considered established.

All originals bands are established.

Blue

jmattbassplaya · #**116** 02-08-2013, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bluewine

It's a lot of work for a cover band to have gigs every weekend.

Blue

...really?

bluewine · #**117** 02-08-2013, 01:16 PM

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Where where you living a few years ago when you where playing in that original band?

In Milwaukee, 2morrowEvrAfter , great material and a good band.

blue

bluewine · #**118** 02-08-2013, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jmattbassplaya

...really?

Well, the statement was to leverage the time and effort cover bands have to deal with to become established.

Blue

bassbully · #**119** 02-09-2013, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisB2

LOL, no, it's cool man... I think I'm starting to get where you're at on this... you just think that, to YOU, for a band to qualify as "established" it has to be a serious hard-working project that has more on the radar than a couple local weekend cover gigs every month... maybe not trying to be rock stars, but paying their dues to get some real serious traction, regionally at least, maybe nationally, but really humping to get their name/music out there, and seeing some results/success/$$. Am I getting it???

I don't agree with you, but I think I'm understanding.......

Ding..Ding..Ding..we have a winner YES! That is a good way to put my view on an established band

bassbully · #**120** 02-09-2013, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bluewine

I think what he is saying is, a cover band no matter how long they have been together or how well their known , or even how often they gig even if full time, they can not be considered established.

All originals bands are established.

Blue

No..No

My originals band is not established in my view. We have been together 4 years, play out 2-3 times a month (if we wish) have 2 albums with reviews and press but are far from established.

The guy I know who plays covers and plays full time every week of the year and tours over seas in my book established. BTW I was in a local music shop picking up my new/used guitar this week and ran into a cool cat who plays bass in a long time blues band in my city. It was cool to talk to him and I found out the band has been around for 40 years! I change my stance with a local band like them..that is ESTABLISHED!