Francis Albert Sinatra/ Antonio Carlos Jobim

dblbss · #1 05-16-2009, 09:25 PM

Just purchased this CD from Itunes, and that means no liner notes. I just cant stop listening to this recording. With all the modern recording technology out these days ,I wish more records sounded like this. Anyways anybody know who the bass player is?

Paul Warburton · #2 05-18-2009, 02:28 AM

Jim Hughart. Great L.A. studio/jazz bassist.
The drummer is my dear old friend, the late Claudio Slon....brilliant player of Brazilian music.
This session was done in stages....some in Hollywood, then sent to NYC to add some guest players onto the original Master and then, finally down to Rio to add more players on different tracks.....long, fun story...I gotta million of 'em.

dblbss · #3 05-18-2009, 06:25 PM

Thanks alot Paul, that's great to know. The rhythm section on that record sounds great.

Marcus Johnson · #4 05-18-2009, 07:05 PM

Thanks PW.... I was hoping you would answer this one. I thought maybe it was Jim Hughart. Wasn't Colin Bailey part of this recording as well? Some kind of mixup in the credits.... Colin talks about it somewhere online.

Or maybe I'm crazy.

Paul Warburton · #5 05-18-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus Johnson

Thanks PW.... I was hoping you would answer this one. Wasn't Colin Bailey part of this recording as well?

I doubt it. Like myowwnself, he woulda let me know the minute we met. Like... "Hey Paulo, me and Frank? We tight."
Colo is the guy who taught me that line: "Enough about me. What do YOU think of my playing?"

Claudio told me some funny stuff about this project, which I'd be glad to share in a PM. This was a big undertaking, involving many colorful personalities with alot of money and ego's to match. Add to that mix a bunch of nut-case jazz and Brazilian players and......right out there, on an International level.

Marcus Johnson · #6 05-18-2009, 07:28 PM

Hmm.. maybe he's being modest. I found this thing... scroll down about 1/3 of the way...

http://colinbailey.com/discography.html

Claudio would make more sense, though.

Paul Warburton · #7 05-18-2009, 08:21 PM

Well, I owe apologies all the way around. I've gotten the OP's question confused in my old mind. It is Jim on bass, it is Colin on four tracks only. The Brazillian guy on the others. (mentioned by Colo, in Marcus' link.) I'm thinking of the album "WAVE". Colin just straightened me out on the phone. (with his fabulous wife Jan, shouting support from without.)
Anyway, Claudio IS on "WAVE" and that's the one I've been ranting on about. If you Google Claudio Slon, go to his site, there's a pic of Frank, Claudio, Mia and some others looking at a tv prompter. That was the germ of my confusion.
Sorry......
****. Guess I'd better send my Boyz out after myownself.

Paul Warburton · #8 05-19-2009, 11:57 PM

OK, we made a deal last night, me and my

Boyz. They said: "We do like doin' biz with you, Pee. If you get yer **** together.....we back off."
I get an email from Colin Bailey today. On the Sinatra/Jobim, the bassist was Ralph Pena, Not Jim Hughart. Jim WAS on the "Wave" session.
I can rest easy tonight, without no

goin' down.

Ps. dblss, I like this thread, man.....jus you, me and Marcus. No jive, no bull****....nice and intimate.
So unlike TB.

Marcus Johnson · #9 05-20-2009, 10:58 AM

Jim Hughart and Ralph Pena are two prime examples of those underrated players who had great careers (too short in Ralph's case) and never really got the recognition they merited. There are people, even pro musicians, who will swear that they're not familiar with them, and yet it's a virtual certainty that they're heard their work at some point during their listening.

I was very pleased to discover that my duo mate last night was well aware of Joe Comfort by name, and his excellent work with Frank Sinatra and Nat Cole... many players just scratch their heads when you mention him, and Jim and Ralph as well. As much as I love to talk about our more renowned bass heroes, it's also good to discuss these great players who quietly put in their time in the trenches and make such great music a little further out of the limelight.

MR PC · #10 05-20-2009, 03:16 PM

So I'm gathering that Jim Hughart played on the 1962 sessions for "Wave" and Ron Carter played on the 1967 sessions.

Treyzer · #11 05-20-2009, 03:26 PM

I met Jimmy Hugart in L.A. years ago when Dick Grove had his school and jazz workshops going. He was older than me and was in a group of studio musicians a few classes before me. A great guy; very personable & funny. He played on all kinds of dates and he also was a good electric bass player.

Paul Warburton · #12 05-20-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcus Johnson

Jim Hughart and Ralph Pena are two prime examples of those underrated players who had great careers (too short in Ralph's case) and never really got the recognition they merited. There are people, even pro musicians, who will swear that they're not familiar with them, and yet it's a virtual certainty that they're heard their work at some point during their listening.

I was very pleased to discover that my duo mate last night was well aware of Joe Comfort by name, and his excellent work with Frank Sinatra and Nat Cole... many players just scratch their heads when you mention him, and Jim and Ralph as well. As much as I love to talk about our more renowned bass heroes, it's also good to discuss these great players who quietly put in their time in the trenches and make such great music a little further out of the limelight.

True Marcus, about many fine players in the Hollywood studio scene in those days. I listed some earlier in this thread. (or some thread somewhere.)
The piano/bass duo stuff Ralph did with Pete Jolly are great. Ralph's name is pronounced...pain-ya. Ralph was the bassist with the original Jimmy Giuffre trio pre-Bob Brookmeyer with Jim Hall.
Edit: Jim Hughart came in a bit later in terms of time than most of the guys on my list.
Jimmy Giuffre

MR PC · #13 05-20-2009, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus Johnson

Jim Hughart and Ralph Pena are two prime examples of those underrated players who had great careers (too short in Ralph's case) and never really got the recognition they merited. There are people, even pro musicians, who will swear that they're not familiar with them, and yet it's a virtual certainty that they're heard their work at some point during their listening.

I think Jim Hughart has done very well........I would love to hear him live sometime.

dblbss · #14 05-20-2009, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Warburton

OK, we made a deal last night, me and my

Boyz. They said: "We do like doin' biz with you, Pee. If you get yer **** together.....we back off."
I get an email from Colin Bailey today. On the Sinatra/Jobim, the bassist was Ralph Pena, Not Jim Hughart. Jim WAS on the "Wave" session.
I can rest easy tonight, without no

goin' down.

Ps. dblss, I like this thread, man.....jus you, me and Marcus. No jive, no bull****....nice and intimate.
So unlike TB.

Yeah it is nice Paul. Thanks again for yours and the others input. I'm still really loving this record. Jobim is one of my favorite composers and as much as I love jazz and improv . It's a nice change to just here the" song" and no blowing. It's a real testament to the composer.

As of the bass players you mentioned, I've always wondered who these guys are. Often when your out anywhere, shopping, restaurant, grocery store ....etc and you here a standard on the radio by Sinatra , Nat King Cole, June Christy...etc on the radio it catches my ear , nice round warm bass tone.