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12-02-2012, 04:17 AM
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courtesy of Ethan Iverson on twitter, here's Jimmy Garrison playing 'All The Things You Are' in 1974, with Warren Chiasson and Beaver Harris. Audio only, but it's fantastic... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrTG61MtlAo |
12-30-2012, 08:46 AM
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12-30-2012, 11:06 AM
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12-30-2012, 01:38 PM
| | | | During the chorus which begins @ 3:42, ( by the 3:50 mark), his note choices become non-supportive of the harmony. ( He sounds "lost " in the form, to me). At the 5:29 mark, ( the Bridge), he gets back on track.
Just listenin', Just sayin'...
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12-31-2012, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by iona bass  During the chorus which begins @ 3:42, ( by the 3:50 mark), his note choices become non-supportive of the harmony. ( He sounds "lost " in the form, to me). At the 5:29 mark, ( the Bridge), he gets back on track.
Just listenin', Just sayin'...
Thanks. | Garrison lost is still worth a million Berkelee grads... |
12-31-2012, 03:14 PM
| | | | One of the things I miss most from the old days is this kind of by-the-seat-of-your-pants gig, warts and all. IMHO, today everything is too cerebral--too worked out.
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12-31-2012, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by iona bass During the chorus which begins @ 3:42, ( by the 3:50 mark), his note choices become non-supportive of the harmony. ( He sounds "lost " in the form, to me). At the 5:29 mark, ( the Bridge), he gets back on track.
Just listenin', Just sayin'...
Thanks. | I don't hear "lost", it's not like he's in a different place in the tune or the timestream (beat ahead or behind).There's a couple of places that Warren tries to open up the harmony, I don't know that Jimmy's not trying to give him the space to do so.
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12-31-2012, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed Fuqua I don't hear "lost", it's not like he's in a different place in the tune or the timestream (beat ahead or behind).There's a couple of places that Warren tries to open up the harmony, I don't know that Jimmy's not trying to give him the space to do so. | +1
He's not lost.
Garrison is not going to get lost on a tune as familiar as All the things...
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12-31-2012, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by gerry grable +1
He's not lost.
Garrison is not going to get lost on a tune as familiar as All the things... | I've seen pro jazz musicians get in some minor train wrecks live. It happens to everyone. |
12-31-2012, 05:06 PM
| | | | You're right. Missing a change here and there, or going a different way from the piano player, but very seldom losing their place in the tune.
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12-31-2012, 07:06 PM
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12-31-2012, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by damonsmith It sounds like music. | Yep!
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12-31-2012, 08:48 PM
| | | | Thanks, everybody, for your responses.
From 3:50 to 5:29, Mr. Garrison's basslines do not support the harmony of the song being played, (very clearly), by the vibes player. Prior to 3:50 and after 5:29, they do, (to my ears).
If the whole track sounds like "awesome... music" to you and your ears, then nothing I can say will convince you otherwise...
And that's OK. Seriously...
This is all very subjective "stuff".
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12-31-2012, 08:50 PM
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Have a blessed day.
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12-31-2012, 08:52 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: Houston, Tx | | In a very conservative sense, sure, you are right. However, Jim Garrison was a ground breaking musician with experience from work with Bill Dixon, Ornette Colman & Don Cherry, John Coltrane, Clifford Thorton and many other innovative musicians.
Assuming he is lost rather that deliberately taking the music elsewhere is not very astute.
The music played between the three musicians here is more important than All the Things You Are. As it should be. Quote:
Originally Posted by iona bass Thanks, everybody, for your responses.
From 3:50 to 5:29, Mr. Garrison's basslines do not support the harmony of the song being played, (very clearly), by the vibes player. Prior to 3:50 and after 5:29, they do, (to my ears).
If the whole track sounds like "awesome... music" to you and your ears, then nothing I can say will convince you otherwise...
And that's OK. Seriously...
This is all very subjective "stuff".
Best Wishes for the New Year. | |
01-01-2013, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Ed Fuqua OK, good luck with that.
Have a blessed day. | ?? |
01-01-2013, 09:46 PM
| | | | damon smith- thanks for your honesty in confirming ( albeit in "a very conservative sense"), that something happened between 3:50 and 5:29. I guess we can disagree on the reason(s) "why".
ugly bassplayer - yes, thanks for your original comment. sometimes even great, legendary players can make mistakes. it doesn't diminish their past accomplishments in any way, whatsoever. |
01-01-2013, 11:09 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: Houston, Tx | | | "Something" happens through the whole track - it is called improvising and making music. |
01-02-2013, 09:14 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: NYC | | | Yeesh....He supports the music that's happening at the moment, especially the soloist, beautifully through the whole thing, period. Isn't that what it's about? |
01-02-2013, 08:52 PM
| | | | philip sirois - thanks for your comment.
to you, or anyone interested in continuing the discussion, listen to the chorus beginning @5:07- at the 5:21 mark, the bass plays pedal "D" for 2 bars, followed by pedal "G" for 2 bars. he's playing the changes of the bridge 4 bars EARLY...because he's been "off " of the harmonic form since the 3:50 mark, ( that chorus started @3:42).
the bridge then actually (correctly) starts @ 5:26, ( the vibes quotes the melody of the bridge), mr. garrison hears it, and the bass then rejoins the harmonic form - playing the Amin7 - D7 - Gmaj7...etc.
i like this vibes player more and more with each listening. i was not aware of his playing, other than having heard of his name. (warren chaisson).
i'm really not looking for an argument or a lecture - i'm really just a serious musician trying to listen to a piece of music as closely and objectively as possible.
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