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05-04-2009, 03:33 PM
| | Inadvertent Microtonalist | | Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, ME | | | Larry Grenadier -- FLY's "Sky & Country"
I'm spinning this for the first time now. I can't get past the first thirty seconds of "CJ" -- Larry Grenadier's into of solo artificial and natural harmonics. I feel like I felt the first time I heard Jaco. Larry has invented a personal language here. It would take a ton of time to figure out how he's making it work. Perhaps it's better to simply listen, slack-jawed.
What a band.
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05-04-2009, 03:52 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NYC | | | I'm also happy that Mark Turner's back...
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05-06-2009, 10:54 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: deepest alabama | | | Is that a new FLY recording? Available on emusic? Man that's a weirdass search motor they got. I downloaded the mtb consenting adults this morning, picked it out of the batch of Criss Cross stuff that somebody here made me aware of. Thank you!
Had shoulder surgery Monday morn, and i have plenty of time to catch up on listening, opioid eating, and recliner usage.
I can not get enough of Larry Grenadier's playing. He's pretty much solved the "get your own voice" problem.
oops-quick google shows Sky & Country released back in March on ECM.
Last edited by Paul New : 05-06-2009 at 11:00 PM.
Reason: stupidity, hydrocodone
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05-07-2009, 11:41 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: Houston, Tx | | | I will admit right off to not being a fan, but credit for a personal language with natural and artifical harmonics needs to go to Mark Dresser and Stefano Scodanibbio, we can all make something with their extensive research but let's give credit where credit is due. |
05-07-2009, 11:45 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: New York City | | | I study occasionally with Larry and have seen him every time he was in town (he's performing at the Vanguard this weekend). I also got to see him at the CD Release tour with Fly at the Jazz Standard. and I must say his soloing is not solely based on his concept and knowledge of harmonics but his amazing ability to build a solo using motivic development. He's truly one of the greats that people in my generation look up to. and such a down to earth person... |
05-07-2009, 01:24 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: NYC | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul New  Had shoulder surgery Monday morn, and i have plenty of time to catch up on listening, opioid eating, and recliner usage. | Trade ya a beer for three a them white ones...
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05-07-2009, 02:14 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chicago | | Quote:
Originally Posted by damonsmith I will admit right off to not being a fan, but credit for a personal language with natural and artifical harmonics needs to go to Mark Dresser and Stefano Scodanibbio, we can all make something with their extensive research but let's give credit where credit is due. |
Damon. You're just biased 'cause of your intense hatred of Mehldau. Let's give credit where credit is due  . |
05-07-2009, 06:36 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: deepest alabama | | Quote:
Originally Posted by damonsmith I will admit right off to not being a fan... | What a surprise! |
05-07-2009, 06:39 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: deepest alabama | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Fuqua Trade ya a beer for three a them white ones... | sure, but keep the extend...i mean beer, got my own. |
05-08-2009, 01:01 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: Houston, Tx | | Quote:
Originally Posted by fingers Damon. You're just biased 'cause of your intense hatred of Mehldau. Let's give credit where credit is due . | Yeah, you might be right on that one. Still, it does always yank my chain when what I see as being mainstream get's tagged as innovative! I have heard a few things by Larry I actually liked, I think it was even this project - he has a great sound for one. |
05-08-2009, 02:57 PM
| | Inadvertent Microtonalist | | Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, ME | | Damon, care to recommend any of these as particularly worthwhile examples of Mr. Dresser's ouvre?
I just checked out the tasters for Voyage That Never Ends by Scodanibbio. The second movement does have jaw-dropping natural-and-artificial harmonic stuff. Overall, though, snips make it sound like it's a bit too outside for my taste or frequent listening.
Thanks. |
05-08-2009, 11:12 PM
| | | Quote:
Originally Posted by damonsmith I will admit right off to not being a fan, but credit for a personal language with natural and artifical harmonics needs to go to Mark Dresser and Stefano Scodanibbio, we can all make something with their extensive research but let's give credit where credit is due. | Stefano I heard in a duo concert once with Mel Graves. Stefano on DB, Mel on piccolo bass. All arco. They faced each other, rather than the audience. Quite a musical conversation! And yup, it was bass harmonics heaven. |
05-09-2009, 10:07 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: deepest alabama | | | I've not paid very much attention to musicians from that end of the spectrum since Fred Hopkins played with AIR trio. I do have some William Parker exposure, with Hamid Drake especially.
After listening to just a taste of Mark Dresser's work, I realize that there is catching up to do. My bad. Thank you from me as well, Mr. Smith.
But... A musician doesn't need to be exactly the most innovative to have a unique voice, does he? Christian McBride, for (extreme) example. |
05-09-2009, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul New I've not paid very much attention to musicians from that end of the spectrum since Fred Hopkins played with AIR trio. I do have some William Parker exposure, with Hamid Drake especially. | Funny you mention Mr. Hopkins. Mel Graves mentioned him to me around the time of the aforementioned concert with Stefano. That was around '86 I believe. SSU, Cotati, CA. They may have an archived recording of the concert, and I do have a cassette somewhere. Mel told me that the the deal with harmonics had already been explored for quite a while by classical players like Fred.
No surprise that a great musician like Larry Grenadier has been shedding this technique/material for some time, at least 25 years. I look forward to hearing what he's doing with it.
Stefano and Dresser are all about the closed walls of the educational system, IMO.
Larry is about bringing music to people outside of those walls, for greater communication with the world beyond the intellectual paradigm of music education.
Bravo! |
05-09-2009, 10:25 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: Houston, Tx | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam Sherry Damon, care to recommend any of these as particularly worthwhile examples of Mr. Dresser's ouvre?
I just checked out the tasters for Voyage That Never Ends by Scodanibbio. The second movement does have jaw-dropping natural-and-artificial harmonic stuff. Overall, though, snips make it sound like it's a bit too outside for my taste or frequent listening.
Thanks. | I would go with Unveil then Auqifier, they are both good. We should all listen to what we find interesting, but if innovation is important to you I think it is better to know who did what, if not don't worry about it.
I don't think Dresser is all about the closed walls of education, he has only been an acedemic for a few years after 25 + years as a working bassist.
Scodanibbio is part of the New Music scene, but I first heard him in a coffee shop in Oakland.
Like I said, I don't hate Larry's playing, it is just too mainstream for me to get overly excited about, I would need more viruosity (as in NHØP or Arild Andersen) or depth (as in someone like Red Mitchell's depth) for his work to grab me. I find Eric Revis a lot more intersting since he seems so willing to push himself outside of what is both musically and monetarially safe. |
05-10-2009, 01:30 AM
| | | | Damon, what's great here is that we can all have an opinion.
NHOP (RIP) and Anderson, the greatest players too. Don't know so much about Revis yet, though people seem say he has a lot of heart in his playing. I like that.
Dresser and Scodanibbio, bless them, they've pushed the limits for sure, in safe, controlled, environments. Great educators. |
05-10-2009, 11:21 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: Houston, Tx | | | Well, like I said Dresser just became an academic, before that he had a sucessful career as a working avant garde bassist which is anything but safe. As far as I know, Scodanibbio doesn't have a teaching post, though he seems to do workshops. I don't know how safe and controlled a solo new music bassist's career is. |
05-10-2009, 02:42 PM
| | | | Instead of deconstructing the careers of Dresser and Scodanibbio.......and the origins of the bass techniques involved.....
I've just ordered the "Skye and Country" from Amazon. |
05-12-2009, 03:52 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: London, UK | | Quote:
Originally Posted by MR PC Dresser [...] they've pushed the limits for sure, in safe, controlled, environments. Great educators. | how is playing with the likes of Tim Berne, Zorn, Myra Melford, Anthony Braxton etc a safer, more controlled environment than playing with Mehldau and Metheny?*
*this isn't a veiled criticism of Larry Grenadier, who I think is great. |
05-12-2009, 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by MR PC Instead of deconstructing the careers of Dresser and Scodanibbio.......and the origins of the bass techniques involved.....
I've just ordered the "Skye and Country" from Amazon. | Quote:
Originally Posted by oliebrice how is playing with the likes of Tim Berne, Zorn, Myra Melford, Anthony Braxton etc a safer, more controlled environment than playing with Mehldau and Metheny?* |  |  | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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