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06-20-2009, 09:33 PM
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06-20-2009, 10:11 PM
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06-20-2009, 10:26 PM
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Yeah I know, Swami. Makes you wanna cry don't it? 
I thought about somebody saying here, not too long ago, and I quote: "Scott LaFaro wasn't a time player".
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06-20-2009, 11:09 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pittsburgh, PA | | | Lafaro had been playing bass for only 3 years when that was recorded. Makes you sick, doesn't it?
Just for perspective though. This version is positively adagio compared to the original Bird/Diz recording. Those guys REALLY burned it.
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06-20-2009, 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by calivox  Just for perspective though. This version is positively adagio compared to the original Bird/Diz recording. Those guys REALLY burned it. | I don't agree. Hardly "positively adagio compared to the original...."
I just posted this for fun. Not to argue. Not for "perspective".
I should have known better. (Again.)
I also think this "burns" quite nicely.
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06-21-2009, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Warburton I don't agree. Hardly "positively adagio compared to the original...."
I just posted this for fun. Not to argue. Not for "perspective".
I should have known better. (Again.) | C'mon Paul. I was just tossing some info around. The Feldman album is one of my favorites and they burn the tune up (and seriously, how can anyone not like ANYTHING with Scott on it?). The adagio comment was my attempt at a JOKE (albeit with a grain of truth). Have you heard any of the Verve sides of this tune with Bird and Diz particularly any of the live versions? They play the tune so fast and relaxed that it almost sounds like it was recorded at the wrong speed. It almost sounds like cartoon music.
BTW: the rest of that Feldman album is great too. Serpent's Tooth and Chasin' Shadows are two great examples of Scott laying it down. And remember, the guy was a baby when he recorded that stuff. 21 or so and had only been playing bass for 2 years (I did my math wrong in the last post where I said 3 years). I hadn't figured out how pick my nose at that point in my life much less rip it up like that.
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06-21-2009, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by calivox C'mon Paul. I was just tossing some info around. The Feldman album is one of my favorites and they burn the tune up (and seriously, how can anyone not like ANYTHING with Scott on it?). The adagio comment was my attempt at a JOKE (albeit with a grain of truth). Have you heard any of the Verve sides of this tune with Bird and Diz particularly any of the live versions? They play the tune so fast and relaxed that it almost sounds like it was recorded at the wrong speed. It almost sounds like cartoon music.
mark | Yeah, I know man. Two things....I'm old and grouchy. AND, I'm havin' my period.  Sorry.
The first time I heard this, (when it was released....I was a junior in high school.) I thought the same thing you thought about the Bird and Diz side....cartoon music. I bought the originals a couple years later.
I'm still amazed at Scott's lines (at any tempo, for that matter) on this.
During Vic's first chorus and during the bass chorus, Stan chooses to just play two and four with a stick on the the high-hat stand. I love that, but it puts a whole lot more pressure on Scott to keep that **** up.
He do, do it though.
Scott was frothing at the bit from the minute he took up the instrument. You've heard some of the stories, I'm sure. He knew he didn't have a lot of time here. (he said that in print). He was obsessed and unstoppable with his playing, in particular, and life, in general. Over the years, I've asked many of his friends about him. Bill Evans had some stuff that I don't feel is appropriate to repeat, but it was all very positive. I remember asking Vince Guaraldi about him when we worked together in the 60's. He said Scott picked him up at the airport in L.A. once. Vince said he drove like "Stirling Moss". (a great race car driver). He said he wasn't into "prayer", but made an excepton during this ride.
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06-21-2009, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Warburton I'm old and grouchy. AND, I'm havin' my period. Sorry. | If you are really that old, then why haven't you gone through THE CHANGE?  Seriously though, thanks for the link! Great stuff it lead me to this derail.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdHst...eature=related
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06-21-2009, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by joel kelsey | Nice clip. Thanks. One thing I liked was the piano and bass playing during the drum solo. I never understood the need for everybody to fall out on drum breaks. But that's another thread. Sorry.
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06-21-2009, 06:07 PM
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Errata: in my above post re: diz and bird's version of Bebop, I made an error. the tune was originally recorded on Savoy not Verve and it wasn't Diz, it was Kenny Dorham on Trumpet.
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06-21-2009, 06:45 PM
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06-21-2009, 07:01 PM
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Yep.
I'm still a sucker for the Bill trio with Scott.
In Joel's clip, Eddie was playing the Morelli (before the unlabeled French, and the Claudot) with nylon G & D.
The string noise makes me uncomfy. The "Gomezing*" (that slidey heavy-vibrato Eddie used in the upper register) does too.
*Coined by another older member of this community who shall remain nameless.
Scott LaFaro's ability to pick certain notes out of a voicing just slays me. The way he would string them together, when accompanying or soloing, is riveting....IMO. Add that to an innate sense of time and swing, a great sense of melody, great intonation, taste and timing, and a great sound?...... Phew.
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06-21-2009, 09:13 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City area | | | Yep. That thing Eddie does at 1:11 and 1:38 bugs me to no end. He plays some great stuff and then drops in those which lessens it for me.
It's tough to beat Scotty, although I like the stuff with Marc Johnson alot too.
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