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Old 03-13-2011, 06:55 PM
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Wayne Shorter solo transcription

Hey guys
Here's a lift I've been working on for a little while
Didn't plan to record it but figured I might get a little feedback this way
My biggest self-criticism is the pitch... Wayne plays mega flat all over that track and its hard to get a good blend with it
Still sort of a work in progress, but its getting time to move onto another one

YouTube - Wayne Shorter Fee-Fi-Fo-Fum solo on double bass
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Old 03-14-2011, 05:10 PM
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...should have learned Freddie's.
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Old 03-14-2011, 11:38 PM
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Honestly that sounds pretty bad right now....the time, intonation, and execution are all off. It sounds like you did a good job with the transcription though, so it's just a matter of practice. Also, a solo like this is tough to play along with since Wayne is laying back so much.

Just out of curiosity, what made you want to learn this particular solo?
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Old 03-15-2011, 03:41 AM
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I think it's fair to say it's not perfect, but that's a really hard solo to transcribe and play on upright.
I think you did a good job and would like to hear you play other transcriptions.
Nice work.
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Old 03-15-2011, 05:19 PM
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I think it's fair to say it's not perfect...
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I'm actually not all that big on transcription, its never really been a big part of my learning process
This one was as an assignment for my final year theory/rep class in University - performance and harmonic analysis of the tune/solo
It's funny you mention Freddie's solo - that was the one I was originally planning on working on, but his 1 chorus wasn't long enough for the parameters of the assignment and Wayne take 2
I had a couple goals in mind for this one
- As mostly a bebop guy, I wanted to pick up/examine some more "modern" language
- Break out of "bass-isms" by fingering "sax-isms" (the false fingering and some of the leaps/stretches definitely made playing this one interesting)
- Cop Wayne's feel (he turned out to be much looser than I aspire to having in my own playing, to be honest)
Pitch was never a primary concern on this one, Wayne is all over the map - generally quite a bit further flat than I'd like to spend any serious time matching
Thanks for the feedback, guys
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Old 03-16-2011, 12:23 AM
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- Cop Wayne's feel (he turned out to be much looser than I aspire to having in my own playing, to be honest)
I totally understand. Wayne's later approach isn't so much about covering the changes, blowing bebop vocabulary or blues licks with typical phrasing, and implying swung 8th notes. He got the nickname Mr. Gone for a reason.

Wayne has definitely developed his own voice and approach when it comes to soloing and I notice that some guys get it and others just don't. When I think of his improvisations I can't help but want to use words like "astral", "spacial", "experimental", "tone/color painting" to describe it...but I know some horn players who just think "dude's not really trying" or "dude can't blow".

I find the guys who don't really appreciate his style are players who are more interested in hard charging Clifford Brown or Bird style bebop/blues based stuff, and that's cool...to each his own.

For me the magic is Wayne's COMPOSITIONS. His changes are so unique. His arrangements so sick. His melodies hauntingly beautiful, or bluesy, or just really cool. And furthermore, I absolutely love the way his improvisational style juxtaposes so nicely with the other players in his groups, going all the way back to the jazz messengers.

Anyways, I'm ranting cause I just love Wayne's music so much! But like I said, I've never really felt the need to transcribe Wayne for the purpose of imitating his approach, but I have arranged half of dozen of his compositions.
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Old 03-16-2011, 12:34 PM
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Thanks guys, I'm gonna listen to some WS tonight at work now that you got it on my mind with these nice insights.
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Old 03-16-2011, 01:13 PM
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I agree, Wayne is one of the hippest modern composers out there
His improvisational style seems incredibly linked to his compositional style but (at least in the mid-60s) a little less refined - it really speaks of someone playing in the moment (that IS something I greatly admire in a soloist)
I caught Wayne and his band when they came through Toronto last month and it was an incredible show of fierce musicianship and love for each other from all four of them
Off-Topic: His rhythm section gave a clinic earlier in the day, and the general consensus from local musicians (myself included) is that it was one of the single most inspiring displays of musicality and humanity imaginable
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