Go Back   TalkBass Forums > Double Bass Forums > Music Theory [DB]
Register Rules/FAQ/CUP Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Music Theory [DB] Chords, bass lines, melody, intervals, scales, modes, etc.


Supporting Membership
Thank You

Latest Supporting Member
Donate to Upgrade Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 09-22-2008, 02:34 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Sydney, Australia
Blue Seven. Help with modes.

Ok I need to play bass for these people at my school performing 'Blue Seven' by Sonny Rollins. According to this real book I've got, all the chords are dominant with flat fives which I guess fits with the tune. I was just wondering if anyone knows what mode/s I should be playing in for this song? Help would be greatly appreciated.

Kitschead
Sign in to disble this ad
  #2  
Old 09-22-2008, 07:29 AM
Inadvertent Microtonalist
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Portland, ME
Supporting Member
Ah, the "Real Book," that final arbiter of musical truth and beauty . . .

Kitsch, close the book. You want to get Sonny Rollins' Saxophone Colussus. It is generally recognized as a "desert island disc," one of those few which are required in a complete study of jazz music.

Study Doug Watkins' line over and over, hard. The melody, Mr. Rollins' all-time-classic solo and Mr. Watkins' line are all intentionally ambiguous as to whether the tune is Bb or E blues. (It's not THAT ambiguous and eventually settles into Bb.)

For your high school ensemble, if you just play a regular Bb blues you'll be fine, IF that is what the other people in your group are playing.

But don't neglect the record. It's completely, totally the real deal.

Have fun. Report back.
__________________
"We can give to those who listen to the essence the best of what we are. But to do that, at each stage we have to keep on cleaning the mirror." -- John Coltrane
  #3  
Old 09-22-2008, 09:05 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Sydney, Australia
Yeah I was playing it today with just a regular Bb blues. I just don't really like the natural 5 clashing with the flat 5 which the horns play. At our skill level we don't really play it with enough conviction for it to sound ok and it just sounds like a mistake.
  #4  
Old 09-22-2008, 03:34 PM
Inadvertent Microtonalist
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Portland, ME
Supporting Member
aHA. Your ears are open.

a) Work on lines that avoid the flatted or natural fifth (at least at the wrong moment). What a splendid rut-breaker!

b) Get "Colossus" and dig Doug. No fooling.
  #5  
Old 09-22-2008, 05:09 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Sydney, Australia
Hey thanks a lot. I'll try that.
  #6  
Old 09-23-2008, 10:54 AM
TroyK's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Seattle, WA
Supporting Member
I was blindfold testing with some friends a few years ago and I forget what the tune was, but I correctly guessed Doug Watkins because I recognized something about the tone and approach from having picked Blue 7 apart breath by breath years earlier. When you dig deep into a tune, it and the players never leave you. I don't think about it when I play, but it becomes part of you who you are and certainly makes its way into your own expression of yourself.

So does the Real Book, for that matter. You can always tell when someone is drawing from a musical referrence or a lead sheet.
  #7  
Old 09-23-2008, 11:09 AM
Jason Hollar's Avatar
Supporting Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Pittsburgh area
Supporting Member
Learn the head on the bass.

That's how I figured out what that flat 5 is supposed to sound like!
__________________
cadillacjazz.com
Reply



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Follow TalkBass on Twitter   Visit TalkBass on Facebook  

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:53 PM.




Copyright ©2011 Talk Music Group Inc. All right reserved.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.12
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.