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12-20-2005, 02:42 AM
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Hi,
Could anyone tell me please what "G. P." over a (tacet) bar means?
It crops up quite a bit in Beethoven's 5th.
Thanks!
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12-20-2005, 03:36 AM
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Cheers,
Vincent |
12-20-2005, 04:26 AM
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Thanks Vincent. |
12-20-2005, 11:17 AM
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"This page left intentionally blank"
in books!! 
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12-21-2005, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruce Lindfield That's like :
"This page left intentionally blank"
in books!! | Yeah! Why do they do that?? That bemused me throughout college.......... |
12-22-2005, 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Vunz "Generalpauze", i.e. general pause, i.e. a moment in which no instruments play.
Cheers,
Vincent | correct spelling is "generalpause", though. |
12-22-2005, 09:57 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA | | | and here, my entire life, I thought it just meant "Grand Pause."
Shows what I know.
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12-22-2005, 10:23 PM
| | | | I always thought grand Pause too.....thats because I heard a conductor saying it....I believe it was in La Forza Del Destino Overture |
12-22-2005, 11:16 PM
| | | | I always thought that it indicated a potty break. |
12-23-2005, 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by dragonetti11 I always thought grand Pause too.....thats because I heard a conductor saying it....I believe it was in La Forza Del Destino Overture |
If you look in the Oxford Dictionary of Music :
G.P.
1.General Pause, of 1 or 2 bars for all performers.
2. (French) Grand et Positif, i.e. great and swell organs to be coupled.
Maybe that conductor was also an organ player and got these terms mixed up ....?
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12-23-2005, 09:09 AM
|  | Moderator Moderator | | Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bloomington, IN | | | I've only ever heard conductors call it "grand pause" also. Maybe it's an American thing to do so... |
12-23-2005, 09:29 AM
| | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | Well - all the terms used in Classical Music were developed in Europe and most of the commonly-used score markings are Italian - but you have to have an accepted terminology across the world for orchestras - so Beethoven and Mozart had no objections to using Italian...
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12-23-2005, 09:33 AM
| | | If everybody stops like they should, it doesn't matter much what it 'actually' means, duzzit?  |
12-23-2005, 09:56 AM
| | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | I think 'Grand' has implications for largeness or length...?
Whereas 'General' just means nobody plays!!
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12-26-2005, 06:30 PM
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I have always heard only 'Grand pause'. Grand also meaning big like in the 'entire orchestra'. It doesen't matter if it's a single beat or an entire measure. It's a BIG Pause untill the Stick comes down.
I think there is more that one way to describe G.P. but there is only one notation for it, G.P.!
There is General Chao's and Mrs. Pause but that's after the gig...lol
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Reason: typo..
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12-27-2005, 05:08 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Germany | | | in germany it's definitely "generalpause", but maybe "grand pause" is the "translation" for the originally german term? |
12-27-2005, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dragonetti11 I always thought grand Pause too.....thats because I heard a conductor saying it....I believe it was in La Forza Del Destino Overture | Conductors think everything is GRAND!!! 
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12-27-2005, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by EDDIE HOUSE Conductors think everything is GRAND!!! | Except conductorless orchestras.
As fas as the "G.P.", while studying score reading and conducting in undergrad, I learned it as the German term "Grosse Pause". And considering the question comes from markings in a Beethoven score...
At any rate, they all seem to mean pretty much the same thing, so what's the fuss? |
12-28-2005, 02:04 AM
| | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | Well - no fuss but that was the question asked in this thread!!
Presumably the original poster wanted an answer - not just that it doesn't matter....?
I trust the Oxford Dictionary of Music!!
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12-28-2005, 03:47 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Germany | | | well, the different terms seem to be interchangeable:
The generalpause or the long pause serve the same function, and are identical in function to the fermata when used over a rest or barline. The function of these pauses is to create a silence for a period of time at the discretion of the performer (or conductor with an ensemble). As indicated in the name, these are intended to be pauses of longer duration than any of the others. These marks are always shown over rests. They also interrupt the normal tempo of a composition.
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