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11-09-2003, 02:18 PM
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I would like to know the ground rules for writing the right harmonic notes over a melody. My objective is to learn the ground rules and teach myself how to do it with any melody. I'm just beginning to tinker on a keyboard just playing chords. I have a couple of real books so I have no shortage of material. Just as an example "But not for me" is interesting at first glance as an example as the book also has a Coltrane version(his choice of harmony fascinates me). 
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11-10-2003, 01:49 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by contraman
I would like to know the ground rules for writing the right harmonic notes over a melody. | By this, do you mean "What chords to play under a melody", or "How to harmonize a melody with a second voice, given a set of chord changes"?
Your term "harmonic notes" is ambiguous. In any case, this is a very large can of worms!
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11-10-2003, 02:43 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by contraman
I would like to know the ground rules for writing the right harmonic notes over a melody. My objective is to learn the ground rules and teach myself how to do it with any melody. I'm just beginning to tinker on a keyboard just playing chords. I have a couple of real books so I have no shortage of material. Just as an example "But not for me" is interesting at first glance as an example as the book also has a Coltrane version(his choice of harmony fascinates me). | Marke Levine's "Jazz Theory Book" has some chapters on Coltrane's ideas on harmony and how to harmonise tunes according to "Coltrane Changes".
I would suggest buying that and working through it - the chapters cover what you need to know and work up from simplest concepts to more complex ones with examples you can play.
It's a life-long study though - and not something you can cover in a few lines in a post here!
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11-10-2003, 08:09 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield
Marke Levine's "Jazz Theory Book" has some chapters on Coltrane's ideas on harmony and how to harmonise tunes according to "Coltrane Changes".
I would suggest buying that and working through it - the chapters cover what you need to know and work up from simplest concepts to more complex ones with examples you can play.
It's a life-long study though - and not something you can cover in a few lines in a post here! | Thankyou for the suggestion. I am picking an ordered copy of Levine's jazz theory from the local music shop today. I'm excited . I Can't wait to begin this leg of my musical journey!
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11-10-2003, 08:13 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by T-Bal
By this, do you mean "What chords to play under a melody", or "How to harmonize a melody with a second voice, given a set of chord changes"? | How to harmonise a melody with 2 or more voicings with chord changes.
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11-21-2003, 09:03 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Denver, Co. | | | [quote]Originally posted by Howard K
[b]OK, right... nice idea, I get where you're coming from.
Howard, I deleted that post because it really wasn't addressing the original thread idea...It was addressing, really, your question, and it seems you got the idea.
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11-21-2003, 09:07 AM
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11-21-2003, 09:16 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: UK | | Are you having imaginary conversations with me again Paul? 
As an aside I just checked amazon.co.uk and the aforementionmed jazz theory book was priced at £100 second hand in the UK!!!
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11-21-2003, 06:15 PM
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[i]As an aside I just checked amazon.co.uk and the aforementionmed jazz theory book was priced at £100 second hand in the UK!!! [/b]
| I hate to gloat. O.K, I'm lying I do like to gloat. I picked up a new addtion of jazz theory book for $85 Australian ,similar to what you would pay in the US. Conversion rate $1au=72cU.S. $1 AU= 32pence. 
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11-23-2003, 01:18 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by contraman
I would like to know the ground rules for writing the right harmonic notes over a melody. My objective is to learn the ground rules and teach myself how to do it with any melody... | From the book "What Makes Music Work" by Philip Seyer, Allan Novick, Paul Harmon Quote: |
The first step in harmonizing a melody is to determine which triads are available for use with each melody note. Usually for a given melody note there are three triads that can be used to harmonize it. That's because each melody note can be either the root, third or the fifth of a triad.
| You can also find this information in a music theory text. |
11-24-2003, 03:04 AM
| | Unprofessional TalkBass Contributor | | Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Brighton, England, UK, Europe | | Quote: Originally posted by contraman
I hate to gloat. O.K, I'm lying I do like to gloat. I picked up a new addtion of jazz theory book for $85 Australian ,similar to what you would pay in the US. Conversion rate $1au=72cU.S. $1 AU= 32pence. | I bought the Jazz Theory Book new in the UK for £30 - and the shops have loads of copies.... 
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11-24-2003, 10:21 AM
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The first step in harmonizing a melody is to determine which triads are available for use with each melody note.
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11-25-2003, 07:24 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Gosford Australia | | Quote: Originally posted by Bruce Lindfield
I bought the Jazz Theory Book new in the UK for £30 - and the shops have loads of copies.... | I'm paying about 27.2 pounds and I had to order mine the other chap said that AMAZON was paying 100 pounds 2nd hand. That seems a bit rich.
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11-26-2003, 03:03 AM
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I'm paying about 27.2 pounds and I had to order mine the other chap said that AMAZON was paying 100 pounds 2nd hand. That seems a bit rich. | Yes - that was what I was responding to, really.
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