1964 relic fender custom shop jazz bass not era correct
Hi from Italy,
yesterday I've checked a very beautiful 1964 relic fender custom shop jazz bass in a beautiful sea foam green color. It seems, but I'm not an expert, that some details couldn't be so correct for the year. I'm referring mainly to the pearloid blocks as position inlays, if I'm not in error they appear in mid '66, so this bass could be a '66 but the tuning machine have to be lollipop. Is it correct? The shop claims "limited edition" on this instrument, and I know that custom shop sometime has it's own "free interpretations", but this could be a little embarrassing.
By the way this bass sounds very well and I'm tempted to buy it. Another bass that I'd be to buy is a white 1961 closet classic, a serie stopped at the end of the 2012, and also this bass sounds well, but the sea foam green is marvelous!!!
What do you think?
Thanks in advance for every reply.
While you are correct that the block inlays appeared in mid-'66, and lollipop tuners are also first seen in the same year, it's never possible to assume that on one day it was *this*, then the next day it was *that*.
It's very possible that you can get block inlays with tulip tuners and it would be 'period-correct'. Just as lollipop tuners were used well into the late 60's, and probably into 1970 as Tulips were resurrected.
I dont think the Fender Custom Shop is about building period correct instruments. On several guitar forums, there have been similar findings for Fender or Gibson guitars from their Custom shops.
Tbh, I wouldnt be embarrassed by a custom shop instrument that is historically somewhat incorrect...if it plays well, who cares.
...maybe it's not a time machine; those, for sure, have to be historically correct, according to the Time machine name of the line....
by the way you're right, sound and playability first.
Go get a Fender "Roadworn" period correct.
Under $1000.00. plays and sounds amazing for the money.
And use the money you save for a new amp.:D
Fender CS doesn't make 100% accurate reproductions, they just slap some specifications together, and give it a name. Fender actually made a '66RI bass, with lollipop tuners (hipshot), and pearloid dotinlays with binding (as is correct for the period between august '65 and august '66), and a '64RI with just clay dots and reverse tuners, which is correct for the first half of 1964. The Fender '60RI Jazz Bass just has the stacked knobs, but lacks the brass earth strip between bridge & bridgepickup, and doesn't have the spring mutes.
That '64 you're mentioning is probably the one that came without pickguard, and is just one of those "custom shop creations".
The tuner/block issue. Fender used own-made tuners from 1965 onwards on the "deluxe models" (being the jazz bass, bass V, Coronado, and strangely enough also the Mustang, (because the Mustang shared the same tuners as the Coronado, which are smaller than the regular tuners)), with some being used on the Precision-Bass as well. In 1968, they all got the Fender-made tuners, with an updated design. The other way 'round never happened, for the simple reason that the Jazz-necks lacked the recessing for the mounting brackets on the Kluson-made reverse tuners. The Kluson tuners have folded brackets, which makes the back not flush, while the Fender-made tuners have a brazed connection between bracket & plate, with a flush back. Mounting a Kluson-tuner on a neck without the necessary recessions drilled made that the tuner wouldn't sit flush on the headstock, bending the baseplate and make tuning a bit more difficult. Not that that was an issue with Fender, because they didn't start making those recessions until 1964, before that, they just forced the tuner on them, as can be seen here, but that practice was gone by late 1964.
Back of a '66 headstock (Jazz): click
Back of a '66 headstock (Precision): Click
Back of a Fender-made tuner (Jazz): Click
Back of a Kluson-made Reverse tuner (Precision): Click
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