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Old 01-13-2013, 01:35 PM
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The shifts aren't a big deal to me. What I will concede is it's nice to have the low Eb and D. Beyond that, I don't really care about the notes below them. For my ear and equipment, they are largely unusable.

On a practical, mechanical level, the interchangeability of bodies and and necks among fours is substantial. Fivers are far more proprietary in nature. Because of all this, all things being equal, I'll probably choose a four.
Absolutely. That is why I stick with the 4. I never used anything below the D...which I would like to have. Not enough to use a 5 all the time.

I tried the hipshot but could never get it to tune right. I'm sure it was me and not the machine.
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Old 01-13-2013, 01:44 PM
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Absolutely. That is why I stick with the 4. I never used anything below the D...which I would like to have. Not enough to use a 5 all the time.

I tried the hipshot but could never get it to tune right. I'm sure it was me and not the machine.
The Hipshot tuners seem to sound better when detuned if you have an angled headstock. Unfortunately, it doesn't toggle back and forth reliably if you have an angled headstock. They work alright, but should probably be adjusted after a few flicks if you really like being in tune.
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I still have a good active J 5:er for those moments, but after 25 years of strictly 5 strings I'm back to passive, vintagey 4-stringed J's and P's. Since I don't play neither gospel nor modern metal 4 strings is enough for 99% of what I do.

GASing for a 5-string passive P though, to keep a great and functional sound while covering the last percent ;-)
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I still have a good active J 5:er for those moments, but after 25 years of strictly 5 strings I'm back to passive, vintagey 4-stringed J's and P's. Since I don't play neither gospel nor modern metal 4 strings is enough for 99% of what I do.

GASing for a 5-string passive P though, to keep a great and functional sound while covering the last percent ;-)
Yeah, a good passive 5 is what I want - I do wonder if a lot of people who reckon their B is fine would feel the same with no EQ/pre.
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"If it doesn't have a B string, it isn't a bass".
That's funny, considering bassists got along for many, many years just fine without a B string.
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That's funny, considering bassists got along for many, many years just fine without a B string.
None of those years were in my lifetime. And I have grey hairs...
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Played nothing but 5 B-G for a decade, then went back to 4 to relearn the instrument. These days I'm playing a fair amount of 5 as well, but strung E-C with a drop D tuner. I'm able to function fine without the B, though once in awhile I wish I had it, usually when playing in F (so I could be up at the 6th fret).

All basses are a compromise, and I approach 4 different from 5. For the stuff I'm doing I find the C to be quite useful. There are times I could use the B as well, but then in reality I should go 6 and I'm not willing to do that at this point in time for a variety of reasons.
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" If it doesn't have a B string it isn't a bass".



Um, wrong.
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I went to a 4 with a drop tuner. Actually thinking about maybe getting another 5........
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" If it doesn't have a B string it isn't a bass".



Um, wrong.
I'm sure I wrote more than just that...
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I'm sure I wrote more than just that...


Right you are.


"Personally I've always felt that (for me) "If it doesn't have a B string, it isn't a bass".



Still wrong.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:53 PM
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Yeah, a good passive 5 is what I want - I do wonder if a lot of people who reckon their B is fine would feel the same with no EQ/pre.
That's a good question. My 5er is active, and I wouldn't have it any other way. It seems to me that a B string on a passive bass would sound like it's seriously missing the earth shaking lows of an active bass IMHO.

Am I wrong?
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Right you are.


"Personally I've always felt that (for me) "If it doesn't have a B string, it isn't a bass".



Still wrong.

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It's just a personal feeling that "there is a lot of bass below E - shouldn't an instrument called the bass be able to handle the whole useable 'bass' range?"
Surely a valid point?
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Right you are.


"Personally I've always felt that (for me) "If it doesn't have a B string, it isn't a bass".



Still wrong.
Um no. It's a personal take and your opinion doesn't matter in that.
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Surely a valid point?
There is also a lot of useable range missing from every single 20 or 22 fret guitar, no? Why not take it a step further and say that it isn't a bass if it has less than 12 strings and doesn't go down to 17.32Hz?
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I've been all over 4 to 5 to 4 to 6 to 4 now I'm back to a 6, and I'm not going back.
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Old 01-13-2013, 04:20 PM
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It's just a personal feeling that "there is a lot of bass below E - shouldn't an instrument called the bass be able to handle the whole useable 'bass' range?"

Surely a valid point?
Not all that valid, really. You'll need more than five strings to cover the "whole" range.

With a low B you're merely covering "more" of the bass range than with four strings.

Besides, a "real" bass only has four strings, commonly known as... The double bass, the string bass, upright bass, bass fiddle, bass violin , doghouse bass, contrabass, bass viol, stand-up bass or bull fiddle.

They look like this...surely you've seen one?

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Old 01-13-2013, 04:26 PM
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Anyone moved away from bothering with a B-string?
Yeah, within a week of getting a 5-string.

There are just so many cumulative hassles innate to the concept relative to any compelling advantages that to blow off 5s was a very easy and obvious decision.

I think if people understood the traditional, formal role of bass instrumentation in ensemble music, they would make a lot more conservative and sensible choices in their gear.

"Modern bass guitar" has become something very different from bass.
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Yeah, a good passive 5 is what I want - I do wonder if a lot of people who reckon their B is fine would feel the same with no EQ/pre.

Don't care - I like both my passives and actives, so it's a non-issue for me...


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