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markob 03-11-2013 08:46 AM

Ash/Maple vs Alder/Maple in a P style?
 
Looking at an Ash/Maple P (type). Never had this combo in a P before. Always Alder. Nor have I ever given it a thought with regard to tone. I know the tone difference between Maple and Rosewood boards but not so with body woods. Give me some education. Thanks.

phillybass101 03-11-2013 09:09 AM

It's nothing more than a personal choice. Alder and ash work equally as well. Ash may be a little brighter and I mean a little. Ash could be northern hard ash or swamp ash. Northern hard ash will be a heavier bass. I presently own two basses made from hard ash and they both are heavy but I like the tone. I also have a bass from alder and I love the way it sounds. To me the ash basses are brighter, and a little more punchier but also a little compressed (slightly moreso than alder). The bass made from alder will weigh less.

Lincoln 03-11-2013 09:13 AM

depends on how frequently you slap and what tone you prefer when you slap. Alder has always been a sweeter rounder tone when I slap.

Ash with with Maple/Maple neck is always deeper and higher ( ala Marcus Miller).

Fingerstyle you don't notice the difference, as much...

Fuzzbass 03-11-2013 09:45 AM

For some reason, I prefer alder P-basses, even for slap. The last three ash bodied P-basses I've owned (all light weight swamp ash) just didn't work for me, tonally. The claim is that ash is "brighter" than alder, but that did not appear true to me. The ash basses seemed sweeter in the mids, with less treble (though the difference was subtle...)

Note that ash can vary in weight, from light to heavy and in between. Some believe tone changes along with weight.

Another caveat is that selecting tonewoods isn't like chemistry: there's no guarantee that a bass with body A and fingerboard B will give you tone C: that's because of natural tonal variation within the same species.

Overall, though, differences in tone between woods are pretty slight, in the grand scheme of things. You should check out some of the tone comparison threads. For example in this one, it's hard to tell the difference between ash/rosewood and alder/maple even with high quality headphones: http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f8/ald...riment-959984/

whatever4 03-11-2013 10:06 AM

Ash is a harder wood. It won't dent as easily and screws are less likely to strip out of the wood when you tighten them down, so the whole thing holds together a little better.

Fuzzbass 03-11-2013 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatever4 (Post 14013020)
Ash is a harder wood. It won't dent as easily and screws are less likely to strip out of the wood when you tighten them down, so the whole thing holds together a little better.

I believe that is true for hard ash, the heavier variety, but lightweight "swamp ash" is amazingly soft.

dougjwray 03-11-2013 12:26 PM

Also, "swamp" ash can be lighter than alder.

1bassleft 03-11-2013 12:30 PM

Tonally? Read and listen to this thread:

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f8/ald...riment-959984/

All other things equal, practically nothing.


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